are any of the following forbidden by islamic law?

taken from killtown

Fundamentalist Muslims 'gone wild'

May '01 - Several alleged hijackers seen at Las Vegas Strip clubs (SF Chronicle), several also patronized Nardone's Go-Go Bar (Wall Street Journal) Flight 77 hijackers Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi hang out at Cheetah's nude bar (LA Times), Sept 10 - Atta and two Arab men allegedly spend hundreds on drinks and lap dances at FL strip club the Pink Pony. (USA Today)

July-Aug - Alleged hijacker Majed Moqed seen in two stores in Maryland looking over adult videos and books (Newsday, MSNBC), Sept 10 - Alleged hijacker Hamza Alghamdi watches a porno in his hotel. (Wall Street Journal)

Sept 5 - Two or three of the alleged hijackers go gambling on a SunCruz Casino boat. (St Petersburg Times, USA Today)

Sept 7 - Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi both seen 'wasted' at Florida bar called Shuckums. (St Petersburg Times)

Sept 9 - Alleged Flight 11 hijacker sleeps with a high-priced prostitute (Boston Herald), Sept 10 - Four alleged hijackers spend the night looking for prostitutes in Boston. (Boston Globe)

All of those actions are forbidden even to moderate muslim (wich for me are only muslims, the others, the radicals we call them Islamists)

You are not allow to gamble, drink alchol, have sex outside marrige or watch women that way.

They ask you concerning alcohol and gambling.
Say: "In them is a great sin, and some benefits for men,
but the sin is far greater than the benefit."
Holy Qur’an 2:219

024.030 Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And God is well acquainted with all that they do.

Sex outside marrige is big big sin in Islam
060.012 O Prophet! When believing women come to thee to take the oath of fealty to thee, that they will not associate in worship any other thing whatever with God, that they will not steal, that they will not commit adultery or fornication, that they will not kill their children, that they will not utter slander, intentionally forging falsehood, and that they will not disobey thee in any just matter,- then do thou receive their fealty, and pray to God for the forgiveness (of their sins): for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Ummmmmmmmmmm believe me muslims do that kinda stuff all the time, id say 50% of muslims in america do those stuff. dont believe me look at christianity, do all christians follow all those stuff? NO of course not.

oh gambloing give me a break 100% of people i know who are muslim including my family does, play the lottery and what not

my bro is 21 and has gone to plenty of strip clubs, my brother used to drink for 2 months till i cleansed it out of him :D

Yes, i agree there is no way that all Muslims are 100% faithfull. Just look at a great sum of Chritians that do not pratice there faith, the just simply say they belive in god. Im sure this is the same way in the Muslim community. They are only muslim because they were born into a muslim familly. ( Not saying that or hinting that about all muslims or christians).

I dont bealive you... in America Muslims are 3th or 4th generation of muslims...

Here in Europe most of the muslims are arabs... If you gamble and go to stripclubs you are not muslim...

Muslim means submited to God...

There is no away a muslim will do that... and remember we are talking about radicals...


About Christians... most of them lost their faith... sinners

Using that logic then I guess it would be impossible a Catholic preist to molest young boys. Or for a conservative christian preacher to have a sex with a male prostitute while high on meth. Or for another conservative christian preacher to get hand jobs form a hooker in a seedy hotel room.

Put this thing in your mind: Muslims are not like Cristians :angry:

For example Cristians nowadays are not chast anymore, they start to have sex since teenagers but muslims nowadays still marry virgens cause they are all faithful

So dont compare these two realigions or yes compare it but dont compare their folowers

Who are you trying to kid, yourself.

What you know about Islam????

NOTHING so shut up

If you dont know this religion and the arab people just listen

So your an expert on both religions? Are you trying to tell us that it would be impossible for a Muslim to "sin"? If you believe that that you are incredibly naive. :rolleyes:

So what your saying is that if you do anything that is against the teachings of the Koran you are not a Muslim? If that's the case then I wonder how many Muslims are left in the world. Are you going to try and tell us that you are perfect? If you answer yes then you are either lying or are delusional. If you answer no then I guess your not a Muslim.

Yes i am specialy on Islam.

The Quran its very easy to follow... The Quran is difrent from the Bible and Torah by the way it tell us how to live. (You should read it)

I can garanti you that real muslims dont make those major sins like fornication, gamble...

Look brothers... there are those who claim to be muslims but they said that only to pleasure their relatives

And of mankind are some who say: We believe in Allah and the Last Day, when they believe not. (2:8 Quran)

Sounds like religious dogma to me. All you would have to do is replace Koran with Bible and vice versa and you would sound like a Christian fundamentalist preacher here in the US

i think the point is this: Muslims can violate tenants of their faith, like christians, but the american public has been sold a bill of goods by the bush administration portraying these hijackers as muslim extremists and fanatics, people that hate american culture and "freedom" so much that they were willing to kill themselves in suicide attacks planned and deliberated over for years. But here they are consistently drinking, eating pork, going to porn shops, sleeping with women and prostitutes and in some cases having steady girlfriends.

From the terror timeline: University of Florida religion professor Richard Foltz states, “It is incomprehensible that a person could drink and go to a strip bar one night, then kill themselves the next day in the name of Islam… People who would kill themselves for their faith would come from very strict Islamic ideology. Something here does not add up.”

On the other hand, according to the US gov. account, many of the highjackers did not know it was a suicide attack, and according to the bin laden confession tape, even the leaders knew "not even one letter" of the plan until just before they boarded the planes.

You obviously didn't read the information contained in my posts.

Tell me, what would be your position on profiling at airports?

You know how certain elements on the right wing have been pushing for there to be more profiling at US airports so that the 80 year old granny isn't checked and the muslim family of 4 are?

Now, let's suspend your disbelief for a few moments and agree that islamic terrorism actually exists. If they have a goal of striking against the 'great satan' and they see this as a religious goal, isn't it more probable that they will dress western, maybe have a beer before the flight so they can breathe alcohol fumes into the face of the security checker? In fact they would sensible to do everything they can to make sure that they do not conform to the expectations of what a religious extremist would be like.

Well, similarly with the 911 hijackers. Apart from some dubious reporting regarding girlfriends who may not have been girlfriends, if the hijackers behaved like 'western' young men it doesn't automatically mean that they were irreligious, but does mean that they did not want to stand out.

And, of course, the ultimate response to these claims that the men couldn't have been the hijackers is, why would the perps go and choose 19 guys who are then going to go and raise your suspicions with precisely the behavior you find so odd?

If the good professor beleives this then he must also beleive that it would be impossible for a Catholic priest to molest young boys, for a conservative Christian preache with a wife and kids to have gay sex with a male prostitute while high on meth. Or for another one to get hand jobs from a hooker in a seedy motel.

You saw that video too, eh? :D

don't know what you mean by dubious reporting... jarrah had a fiancee, and atta's gf told daniel hopsicker 3 years ago that one of atta's associates was Wolfgang Bohringer, who's now had a terror alert issued on him and is wanted by the FBI.

As for a low profile, how does sleeping with prosititutes and drinking in bars, with the koran with you, lowering your profile?!? seems to me a terror cell would keep a better profile if they stayed at home and worked on the plan. They also left the US many times, which is also a huge risk for a supposed "sleeper cell".

Also, your reasoning doesn't mesh at all with Jonelle Bryants account.

from:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context...a0400attabryant

basically, Atta meets with her to apply for a loan for a crop duster, and he asks her about putting a chemical tank in it, he asks her about security at the WTC, he discusses al-qaeda and its need for american members, he says bin laden would come to be known as a great leader, he threw wads of cash on her table attempting to buy a photo of DC on her wall, he asked her about her former workplace, “How would you like it if somebody flew an airplane into your friends’ building?”, he mentions destroying US landmarks like arab landmarks have been destroyed, and he uses his real name, and insists that she correct it when she initially misspells it.

the US gave her a lie detector test which she passed, and they have said her account was not only credible, but that it matches with information gleamed from interrogations... that the plan initially involved cropdusters, but was abandoned.

compare this with robert mullers statement about the hijackers: “There were no slip-ups. Discipline never broke down. They gave no hint to those around them what they were about.”



So in light of this, how can you say they were keeping a low profile by acting more western? you don't have to look very hard to see some obvious anomalies with the hijackers.

I'm not saying it's inconceivable, I'm just saying, stop calling them muslim. The media keeps saying these were muslim extremists, and that implies something about their beliefs and their willingness to die to force those beliefs on others. Obviously there are hypocrites everywhere, but it needs to be put in the official narrative because average americans, when thinking of the hijackers, think of these religious fanatics who are so deep into islam that they are willing to kill innocent people. they don't think of them drinking, smoking, eating pork, watching porn and covorting with women. maybe if they did, it would take some of their irrational fear of regular muslims away and they could see how anomalous this behavior was.

The US gov says that these are strict, crazy islamists. the evidence shows otherwise. they either are or they aren't, if they aren't, then just call them crazy, deulded, call them suicide bombers and monsters but don't call them strict muslims because thats not clear.

Yes all of those things are permitted by Islamic law; however this would not prevent the Terrorists from doing those things.
Under Islamic law Muslims are allowed to deviate from the laws of Islam while in the pursuit of Jihad. This is so they can blend in with those around them and be under less suspicion.
The terrorists probable would not have done those things under normal circumstances but they would be allowed to and even encouraged to do those things while in the pursuit of Jihad.