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Title: Ten Things Skeptics/debunkers Dont Get
Description: The UNDEBUNKABLE smoking guns


8bitagent - August 1, 2007 09:19 AM (GMT)
Skeptics and debunkers focus in on arguing about pentagon and tower theories, and everything else.

But these things are never addressed:

1. Intentional FBI obstruction as evidenced by Ken Williams, John Oneil,
Coleen Rowley, Harry Samit, Robert Wright, the Phoenix memo, etc
IE: REPEATEDLY these FBI agents were told to shut up hundreds of times about known al qaeda training at flight schools

2. Intentional forcing of known al Qaeda to be let into America from Saudi Arabia
at the Jeddah consulate, unlawfully issuing 15/19 visas to the hijackers.
As evidenced by J Michael Springman

3. Able Danger, and other high level Pentagon, CIA and Mossad agencies carefully monitoring a good portion of the 9/11 hijackers from 1999-2001
(in the case of the Mossad, actually living next to most of the hijackers at one point)

4. Arab State Sponsorship, as in bed buddies of the Bush regime...the Arab countries who were funding and puppeteering the 19 terrorists
Pakistani ISI, Saudi Intelligence, and the UAE

5. Mossad agents posing as Arabs in white vans all over NYC and NJ and Florida.
Some trying to get an interview with Bush, some trying to plant explosives
on the George Washington bridge, some filming and cheering as the planes went in, some driving around in white vans calling up 9-11 dispatchers saying Palestinians are in white vans with bombs, a white van with a mural of the 9/11 attacks, one white van exploding, vans with explosives reported under the WTC, and on and on

6. The 9/11 commission saying the money trail is of little to no concern

7. Top 9/11 commissioner Lee Hamilton saying the commission was shaped, kept away from a lot of evidence, lied to repeatedly by NORAD and the Pentagon,
and that they were "setup to fail"

8. FAA managers forced to shred the recordings of the conversations between the hijackers and FAA workers

9. Pilots banned from having guns in cockpits two months before 9/11

10. Time magazine saying the knives were preplanted on the four flights, and MSNBC saying guns, bombs and gas were used by some of the 9/11 hijackers.

There's mainstream evidence on Time, CNN, MSNBC, etc for all of these claims.

Im not even getting into foreknowlege, NORAD obstruction and lies,
Osama in Dubai before 9/11, and gosh knows how many things.

I find it VERY disengenuous for people to say "theres no real unanswered questions nor a coverup". Come on.

Just because you question 9/11 doesnt mean you think Cheney remote controlled fake planes and missiles into buildings or that al Qaeda was "falsely blamed"

abcd - August 1, 2007 09:52 PM (GMT)
Good points 8bitagent!

VelociMorte - August 2, 2007 10:54 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (8bitagent @ Aug 1 2007, 04:19 AM)
Skeptics and debunkers focus in on arguing about pentagon and tower theories, and everything else.

But three things are never addressed:

1. Intentional FBI obstruction as evidenced by Ken Williams, John Oneil,
Coleen Rowley, Harry Samit, Robert Wright, the Phoenix memo, etc
IE: REPEATEDLY these FBI agents were told to shut up hundreds of times about known al qaeda training at flight schools

2. Intentional forcing of known al Qaeda to be let into America from Saudi Arabia
at the Jeddah consulate, unlawfully issuing 15/19 visas to the hijackers.
As evidenced by J Michael Springman

3. Able Danger, and other high level Pentagon, CIA and Mossad agencies carefully monitoring a good portion of the 9/11 hijackers from 1999-2001
(in the case of the Mossad, actually living next to most of the hijackers at one point)

4. Arab State Sponsorship, as in bed buddies of the Bush regime...the Arab countries who were funding and puppeteering the 19 terrorists
Pakistani ISI, Saudi Intelligence, and the UAE

5. Mossad agents posing as Arabs in white vans all over NYC and NJ and Florida.
Some trying to get an interview with Bush, some trying to plant explosives
on the George Washington bridge, some filming and cheering as the planes went in, some driving around in white vans calling up 9-11 dispatchers saying Palestinians are in white vans with bombs, a white van with a mural of the 9/11 attacks, one white van exploding, vans with explosives reported under the WTC, and on and on

6. The 9/11 commission saying the money trail is of little to no concern

7. Top 9/11 commissioner Lee Hamilton saying the commission was shaped, kept away from a lot of evidence, lied to repeatedly by NORAD and the Pentagon,
and that they were "setup to fail"

8. FAA managers forced to shred the recordings of the conversations between the hijackers and FAA workers

9. Pilots banned from having guns in cockpits two months before 9/11

10. Time magazine saying the knives were preplanted on the four flights, and MSNBC saying guns, bombs and gas were used by some of the 9/11 hijackers.

There's mainstream evidence on Time, CNN, MSNBC, etc for all of these claims.

Im not even getting into foreknowlege, NORAD obstruction and lies,
Osama in Dubai before 9/11, and gosh knows how many things.

I find it VERY disengenuous for people to say "theres no real unanswered questions nor a coverup". Come on.

Just because you question 9/11 doesnt mean you think Cheney remote controlled fake planes and missiles into buildings or that al Qaeda was "falsely blamed"

What I don't get is how you subject matter experts state: "But three things are never addressed:", and then list ten things. Do we get to choose which three things to address?

Arvel - August 3, 2007 12:40 AM (GMT)
Are you supporting MIHOP or LIHOP? It seems like the latter, but I want to make sure.
Also, sources would be appreciated, especially when you say things like
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FAA managers forced to shred the recordings of the conversations between the hijackers and FAA workers
No one was forced to do anything. One guy shredded a tape and no one knew why.

8bitagent - August 3, 2007 12:58 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Arvel @ Aug 3 2007, 12:40 AM)
Are you supporting MIHOP or LIHOP? It seems like the latter, but I want to make sure.
Also, sources would be appreciated, especially when you say things like
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FAA managers forced to shred the recordings of the conversations between the hijackers and FAA workers
No one was forced to do anything. One guy shredded a tape and no one knew why.

I don't believe in Mihop nor Lihop nor incompetence/blowback/surprise attack.

My views are way too esoteric regarding 9/11 for most truthers to be able to understand, I'm just asking why the debunkers ALWAYS focus in on the "phyical anomalies" to argue.

The fact the FBI was intentionally obstructed, US people at Jeddah consulate in Saudi Arabia forced to give Visas to the hijackers(even tho some were caught meeting in Malaysia for al Qaeda summits), the fact that the CIa-Pentagon-and Mossad were meticulously monitoring Atta and the hijackers at various points in 1999-2001,
and the fact elements within Pakistani Intelligence and Saudi intelligence, as well as the UAE were involved...is all VERY troubling.

I have at least 5 mainstream articles that back up all of the claims I presented, and I have hundreds of smoking guns I can point out that even most truthers might not know about.

The_Animus - August 5, 2007 07:13 PM (GMT)
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10. Time magazine saying the knives were preplanted on the four flights, and MSNBC saying guns, bombs and gas were used by some of the 9/11 hijackers.

There's mainstream evidence on Time, CNN, MSNBC, etc for all of these claims.


I thought all of the media were puppets of the CFR, and were only used to push the CFR political agenda. That must be further disinformation!

Lord Tsukasa - August 6, 2007 02:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The_Animus @ Aug 5 2007, 07:13 PM)
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10. Time magazine saying the knives were preplanted on the four flights, and MSNBC saying guns, bombs and gas were used by some of the 9/11 hijackers.

There's mainstream evidence on Time, CNN, MSNBC, etc for all of these claims.


I thought all of the media were puppets of the CFR, and were only used to push the CFR political agenda. That must be further disinformation!

So you deny the presented mainstream media articles, showing more smoking guns, to be fact?

The_Animus - August 6, 2007 05:59 PM (GMT)
No. It was sarcasm used to point out that truthers simultaneously say the mainstream media cannot be trusted because they are owned by the NWO and at the same time say they can but only for articles which you hope will prove your theories correct.

DanielB - August 17, 2007 08:49 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
1. Intentional FBI obstruction as evidenced by Ken Williams, John Oneil,
Coleen Rowley, Harry Samit, Robert Wright, the Phoenix memo, etc
IE: REPEATEDLY these FBI agents were told to shut up hundreds of times about known al qaeda training at flight schools
Okay... so what? You expect the FBI to share all of their investigations to the public not withholding any evidence crucial to their investigations?
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2. Intentional forcing of known al Qaeda to be let into America from Saudi Arabia
at the Jeddah consulate, unlawfully issuing 15/19 visas to the hijackers.
As evidenced by J Michael Springman
Maybe Al-Qaeda had an inside man?
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3. Able Danger, and other high level Pentagon, CIA and Mossad agencies carefully monitoring a good portion of the 9/11 hijackers from 1999-2001
(in the case of the Mossad, actually living next to most of the hijackers at one point)
Yep, good.
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4. Arab State Sponsorship, as in bed buddies of the Bush regime...the Arab countries who were funding and puppeteering the 19 terrorists
Pakistani ISI, Saudi Intelligence, and the UAE
You sound as if you're surprised? America let's anyone with enough money control whatever they want. Hospital privatization, MPAA... you name it.
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5. Mossad agents posing as Arabs in white vans all over NYC and NJ and Florida.
Some trying to get an interview with Bush, some trying to plant explosives
on the George Washington bridge, some filming and cheering as the planes went in, some driving around in white vans calling up 9-11 dispatchers saying Palestinians are in white vans with bombs, a white van with a mural of the 9/11 attacks, one white van exploding, vans with explosives reported under the WTC, and on and on
What does that have to do with anything - honestly?
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6. The 9/11 commission saying the money trail is of little to no concern
So they might be withholding information, what else is new?
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7. Top 9/11 commissioner Lee Hamilton saying the commission was shaped, kept away from a lot of evidence, lied to repeatedly by NORAD and the Pentagon,
and that they were "setup to fail"
There are other interpretations to be made from the statement "setup to fail"...
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8. FAA managers forced to shred the recordings of the conversations between the hijackers and FAA workers
What is FFA?
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9. Pilots banned from having guns in cockpits two months before 9/11
Um, I don't think I'd want to fly with an armed pilot anyway...?
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10. Time magazine saying the knives were preplanted on the four flights, and MSNBC saying guns, bombs and gas were used by some of the 9/11 hijackers.
HAHAHAHAHAHA




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