The Ingersol photos are a literal treasure trove of information and they reveal the sequence of events that led to the staging of light pole #1 on route 27 headed southbound while giving an incredible look into the details as they unfolded.

One of these images is extremely strong evidence that the pole was planted after the fact.

But here is a bit of a back story regarding these images first:

Jason Ingersol took some of the most famous high resolution photos of the pentagon attack that exist.

He was at the Navy Annex at the time of the attack and walked down to the scene snapping shots along the way.

Dylan and Russell can vouch for the fact that we obtained the ENTIRE Ingersol collection on our first trip to Arlington from Christoper Landis at the VDOT (Virginia Dept. of Transportation) who was Operations Manager for Safety Service Patrol. The VDOT takes care of all light pole maintenance as well and you can see me inspect the same style light poles that were downed on 9/11 in their yard here.

These images will give you a perspective as to where the VDOT is in relation to the Pentagon and light poles which is where Christopher Landis worked and where I inspected the poles.






Getting the entire Ingersol photo collection was a major score because there were many images we hadn't seen online and they were all the original super high resolution versions in order.

In an extremely strange and suspicious twist that we can only pray is a coincidence.....soon after Christopher Landis gave us these images, he committed suicide.




The obituary was published in the Washington post on November 16th 2006.
Christopher Kit Landis


So this happened about 2.5 months after we met him and he gave us the images, and about a week after I was back there, had a tour of the VDOT again, and obtained the citgo witness testimony on camera.

Coincidence? We can only hope so but he was a very young man with 4 young children (2 boys and 2 girls) and a great job.

I can say that he was noticeably nervous when we talked to him. In fact Merc even mentioned this in a post from September 2006 soon after our first trip.


Regardless of what you want to think about all that; we all still have the images.

First I will post the unaltered images from the beginning until he reaches Lloyd and his cab and I will indicate the time of each image and label them with their original name. They are all as high resolution as possible to host on photobucket.

The date on the images reads 9/11/2001 but the time on the images indicates exactly 13 hours later than actual time. Since the series starts at 45 minutes past the hour I believe that the minutes are correct because it seems feasible to suggest he started taking pics about 7 minutes after the "attack" which was at about 38 minutes past the hour and everything coincides right down to his first image of the collapsed roof taken at 21 minutes after the next hour.

No matter how you look at it the time gives you a good reference for how many minutes between each image.


image name: DSC_0404 time taken: "10:45 PM" will reference as "9:45"



image name: DSC_0405 time taken: 9:45



DSC_0406 time taken: 9:45



DSC_0407 time taken: 9:46



DSC_0408 time taken: 9:47



DSC_0409 time taken: 9:48



DSC_0410 time taken: 9:48



DSC_0411 time taken: 9:48



DSC_0412 time taken: 9:48 (first image showing cab. traffic not blocked yet. pole is not there)



DSC_0413 time taken: 9:49



DSC_0414 time taken: 9:49



DSC_0415 time taken: 9:52 (feds now guarding area, pole is now there)



DSC_0416 time taken: 9:52 (pole visible)



DSC_0417 time taken: 9:54 (pole visible, traffic completely blocked)



DSC_0418 time taken: 9:54 (traffic completely blocked)



DSC_0419 time taken: 9:55



DSC_0420 time taken: 9:56



DSC_0421 time taken: 9:57

added to OP instead. (mods please delete)

Here's the deal.......

In image DSC_0412 at 9:48 you can see the cab is in place but the pole is not.





But 4 minutes later at 9:52 in image DSC_0415 you can see that the feds have now blocked the area off and pole one has been placed.






Notice how area is completely blocked off. (red suzuki is empty)

from DSC_0418 at 9:54

are you sure it's just not an issue of being able to see the light pole behind the guardrail?

Can't be 100% sure about that but it's certainly not visible.

Since the feds rolled up, surrounded Lloyd's scene, and blocked traffic off at that very moment, and then the pole is seen only after that; the images make a compelling case for the pole being planted at that time.

You can't see the pole AT ALL behind the guardrail in images 12 or 13 before the feds were there.

But then you CAN see at least a portion of the pole behind the guardrail in 15, 16, 17, 18, & 19 after the feds showed up and secured the scene.

The most amazing thing about pole #1 is that nice beautiful bend in it.

Yeah that is odd.

Especially since none of the other poles were bent that way.

isn't that just from the perspective of the shot? It looks like pole #3 to me. As you look down the pole, it eventually curves over as part of the overhang prt over the steet. No?

The perspective of pole one in other shots makes it look straighter than it was but that is pole one and there was a bend in the top.

In fact Lloyd said that he "fell down" while removing the pole because it "flipped" as he was pulling it out because he was not aware of that bend which was allegedly hidden in the back seat.

Although it looks straighter from this perspective you can still see the bend:



And it looks even straighter in this shot:

Check out this red headed dude with the red tie that you can see in the bottom left corner of image 417.

No doubt he was driving one of the fed cars that blocked off the scene.




We need to figure out his name and get him in for questioning.

But these poles wouldn't fit in a van. So where did they come from? Or is the working theory that dudes from the white van deliberately knocked them over?

I can see how the official flight path cannot have knocked over the lightpoles, and I can see that Lloyd's hood has no scratches at all, yet he claimed to have pulled the lightpole out of his car (why I have no idea), but I just can't see a scenario that puts it all together. I wish I could go back in time.

One thing this shows is the importance to take pictures and video not just of the focus of the incident, but also things going on in the vicinity. Something to keep in mind if something like this happens again. Watch for a man with an umbrella.

Well 4 of the 5 poles could have been already placed since they were off to the side.

There is no way they knocked over the pole at that time.

Pole number one COULD have been in a van with a few feet sticking out of the back covered with a rug or something.

Those are big industrial vans.

Or maybe it was unloaded from a truck or hidden off to the side out of sight and pulled onto the road.

The pole was simply lying on the shoulder. No one would notice it. Once it starts it's move away from the curb/guardrail/shoulder it would appear to be "a pole knocked down by the plane".

I don't think this is it. Or it being in a van. I think there still are some missing pieces.

the virginia dept of transportation (VDOT) -- they keep video records, or were they confiscated by FBI on 9/11?

in fact, would these confiscated videos reveal a lot of interesting movement of cars and people going on @ Rt 27 that morning.... before, after, and during 'plane strike'

Makes you wonder double-hard why the FBI won't release the 83 video images

A good thing to note from this series of images is how steep and far down the hill goes to the Pentagon from the Navy Annex.

When people analyze the flight path with overhead shots like this:


or this:




It's real hard to imagine how complex the topography is.

It's not even close to flat.

The plane would have had to make a very difficult steep and fast descent after the navy annex to come in low enough to hit the light poles and damage the building only on the bottom two floors as reported.

You can't even see the impact point from the Navy annex parking lot and can barely see the Pentagon at all!

This shot is right on Columbia Pike between the VDOT and Navy Annex right before the hill starts going down:

You know, if I were planning an inside job like 9/11, I would assign a guy to take care of each crash. They would have to make sure that blame fell on the intended scapegoat and that all evidence pointed to that scapegoat. I wonder if they guy who was in charge of handling the pentagon op screwed up so much that they just have to leave it alone and not talk about it. Nothing makes sense. Not with the official story, and not with any alternative I have found so far.

Ok well realize that we have already proven the light poles were staged with the citgo witness testimony.

We can only hypothesize as to exactly how they got the pole there but they did it somehow and these images show the area/scene was EXTREMELY controlled as we should expect.

Nobody would have noticed the pole off to the side or thought about how or when it got there.

They don't record.

FOIA requests have been filed to get the footage and they all ended saying there was no footage.

The public relations guy gave me a tour of the inside showing camera views and you can hear him answer this question in this video clip:

inside vdot

Highly doubtful that it was either coincidence or suicide. It's called damage control and protecting the status quo. Likely many innocents have already died post 9-11 to protect the Official Conspiracy Theory and likely many more in the future. But some on this board would justify their murders.

Good work.

I can't express how bad I want to see the confiscated videos.........

:angry:

RIP Ingersol and thank you brother!

His name was Christopher Landis. Jason Ingersol took the photos.

Ok I figured it out.

They got the cab in place and the pole could have been already waiting on the other side of the fast lane guard rail. It looks like a little median/center/merge lane area.

People would ignore something like that like it's from an accident if it was there before the incident or damage from the incident if it was after.

If they could see it at all as most wouldn't.




The feds rolled up and a couple of them lifted it up over the center guard rail and dragged it into place next to Lloyd's cab where they had a little enclosed hidden area made with their cars.




This is why the scratch mark goes from the fast lane to it's hiding place in the slow lane.



Easy schmeezy and there is no reason why anyone would be the least bit suspicious.

Even if one of the people driving through saw them move it over the guard rail.

They wouldn't know why or care.

So, in 4 minutes the perps managed to lug the pole over the concrete wall, drag it across the road (between the vehicles) and plant it. All the while miraculously managing to avoid the photographer's lense, both before and after.

That's remarkable work.

Did they use the end of the pole to smash the cab window, or hammers? "Excuse me cabbie, w're just going to smash the cr#p out of your windscreen. We'll explain why later".

Were they lying on the ground beyond the barrier to avoid being seen by the approaching photographer, having seen him coming?

If 9/11 was the result of a giant conspiracy the perps would invent you, Craig, as the perfect distraction. Otherwise this theory of yours is the most monumental exercise in self-delusion I've seen so far. There are about 6 people in the world even capable of believing it, and they're all here.

Meanwhile - where are the witnesses for a fly-over? Bear in mind that plane still had a long way to go, to get wherever it ended up.

The Guy in the Blue shirt is wearing a police type utility belt.

there is something very very wrong about the lightpoles - they make no sense at all.. even to the official account they just dont add up .. a plane wouldnt do that type of damage. one thing i did realise about the pictures was this one:



look at that beautiful cctv camera on the right ... wonder where the tapes went for that! :rolleyes:

I disagree with the center guardrail/barrier notion. I think it is much easier to move it out from the shoulder to the middle of the road then decide to move it, in order to accomodate the white Saturn. That's why the scratch was there.

Indeed it was.

Of course not. What's to stop him from busting his windshield under the bridge he ends up on? Perhaps his "fare" was his handler and he did it from the inside. Then Lloyd pulls up on the highway with the busted windshield. It could be done from the inside with a kick and a crowbar to pull the cracked the windshield in. No one would see that if it happened right as the plane went by and the explosion happened,

Of course not.

Are you accusing Craig of being a disinfo agent gwb?

What theory? The plane was on the north side of the Citgo. You heard the witnesses who were there. As far as I can tell, you weren't there were you?

And here you are worried about, enough to have to tell Craig how crazy he is. Imagine that. If he is so crazy and his "theory", why are you here? GWB, you know that's not true. And realistically, it is irrelevant.

They are in Northern VA. Where else would they be? Bear in mind also, that the plane would have ended up over the Potomac in 2-3 seconds blending in with all the planes taking off.

Either way it would work fine and be quite simple.

If the pole was on the other side of the guardrail it would be hidden very well and it accommodates for the direction of the scratch.

Regardless the pole would not be a cause for alarm for anyone before or after the event even if somebody saw it being moved.

They pretty much could have done whatever they wanted with it and people wouldn't question it.

Bottom line these images show how the scene was controlled and how it would NOT be incredibly obvious or suspicious to anyone if they saw the cab, the pole, or feds moving stuff around.

They blocked the highway, blocked off Lloyd's area, and simply staged it.

Most people never even consider Lloyd or the poles but the VERY few individuals that might have seen his cab or the pole being moved or whatever would not be automatically alerted. In fact they would probably think that the cab hit the pole out of confusion in the chaos.

And even if they saw images of Lloyd and the pole later they would simply think......."oh so that's what that was about."

There is nothing difficult or even risky for the suspects in question to stage this scene.

Historical images publicly released for the first time in this thread.

If you are interested in the Pentagon attack at all I recommend you save them.

if they dont record, why would they confiscate them?

I did some research about automobile collisions with light poles. Some interesting facts to compare with the Taxi in the motorway near the Pentagon:

United States of America

Kuwait. A car slams into this light pole not even moving it.





Brazil. A Ford Escort collides with a light pole. The driver is injured.




Brazil. A Fiat Mille crashes against a light pole. The seatbelt broke and the driver died.




2002, Ukraine. Sukhoi SU-27 Crash during air show. 88 died more than one hundred injured.

This Russian jet did a fly over the crowd and exploded soon after. Watch this video several times please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0bs8Ri8ALE&eurl=


Somebody said this in the comments:

Now one detail I would like to see explained:

Close up of the Pentagon's Taxi.

Look to the passenger seat. It's bent as if something would have twisted it. That shows that something indeed penetrated the windshield of this vehicle or not?

You can't really compare to poles that are not on break away bases.
Although, there are other factors which can be looked at. The strength of the pole itself (not including the base mount) if it's build is similar for example.
Or the distance a pole travelled after being broken away from the base.

Somebody should call Purdue and get them on the job.


And they should get that As-Seen-On-TV Mike guy to sell whatever they used to protect that hood of the taxi cab.

Nothing was confiscated at the VDOT as far as I know.

Wherever they recorded, it was confiscated.

Example, sheraton, citgo, doubletree.

Obvoiusly they didn't have to "confiscate" the tapes from the pentagon, navy annex, and other government buildings.

They just got rid of them.

I suppose if there was anything at the VDOT they could have gotten rid of them the same way since they did use it at a "command center" after the attack.

Hey guys,
Somewhere I remember seeing a close up of the cab's dash viewed looking down from over the hood.... Very deep damage. so a hammer is out of the question.


I cannot find that pic at the moment, BUT you may want to check out this 4 page thread created between January and May of 2006. ;)

http://www.letsrollforums.com/forums/viewt...2038&highlight=


If I come across the pic it I will post it.

welcome back, JFK.

We took digital shots of these personal photos that Lloyd showed us of the inside of the cab.



Whether it was a hammer or crow bar or whatever isn't very relevant.

It certainly could have been done in advance. The cab could have even been driven like this.

There are no images of the back seat but here is a shot of the front passenger seat.


It's pushed back a bit but the leather is not ripped and it is not pushed all the way back.

This is not consistent with Lloyd's story which has the bent top part of the pole hidden in the back seat area while the heavier base end was allegedly sticking out over the hood.

He illustrated that for us here:



Of course we can't forget to mention Lloyd's curious reading habits on 9/11.

Look closely to the book on the seat.

Yeah, it was that "set" of photos.... I could have sworn there was another one looking down from outside at the dash.

I must be getting old and senile, I guess. :lol:

I do remember the book, but not the drawing.

Hey Craig, are you Merc ? :unsure:

Thanks for the warm welcome JackD. :)