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Title: Steve Spak Dvd 'day Of Disaster'
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arie - July 24, 2007 08:11 AM (GMT)
Just found this:

DVD
http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/stats.ht...4a2851afc876f2c

DivX
http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/stats.ht...e62ee58b9dc33f4

Contains exclusive footage of the south side of WTC7.

Perhaps someone can post this at 911blogger? I have trouble logging into my account.

arie - August 6, 2007 12:47 PM (GMT)
http://www.911blogger.com/node/10432

The DVD image is now hosted at archive.org

arie - August 31, 2007 09:15 PM (GMT)
Why is nobody studying this footage? This is important material.

Maybe these screencaps will spark some interest.

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waterdancer - September 1, 2007 10:06 AM (GMT)
Great screencaps! Thanks, arie.

chris sarns - September 23, 2007 12:11 AM (GMT)
Outstanding!

The second capture shows that the damage to the SW corner actually started at floor 17 and the corner column is intact on floors 17 and 16.

Any captures you can get of the south face would be greatly appreciated.
This one shows that there is no major damage between columns 8 and 11 [Spak#/ NIST# 22 to 25] on floors 12 thru 16.

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This one shoes that there is no damage between columns 5 and 9 [Spak#] on floors 11, 12 and 13.
[as well as no damage to the west side on floors 14 and 15]

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The shadow of WFC 2 on Wintergarden puts the time at late afternoon,

much later than the NIST photo

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Can you find any more areas with no major damage?

Many thanks

Carry on

Chris

miragememories - September 23, 2007 08:41 PM (GMT)
As always, why didn't WTC7 fail in the direction of it's supposed weaknesses?

NIST and the skeptics make much ado about debris damage but totally ignore the fact that WTC7 didn't follow that damage path when it collapsed!

Gravity attacks points of weakness!

Controlled demolitions create ground level, floor wide "complete coverage points of weakness".

Non-floor wide points of weakness result in topples or partial collapses!

MM

waterdancer - September 24, 2007 09:54 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (chris sarns @ Sep 23 2007, 12:11 AM)
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Chris, it looks like we have a similar conclusion on what floors the Spak pic is showing, but there's an anomalous feature in the bottom portion of Spak's picture (between the foundation of WTC 6 and Verizon) The best match for that feature I can come up with is that it is bounded on the top by the bottom of floor five and is the windowed area above the promenade and below the louvers on the south side. That doesn't appear to me to match up well with the 12th floor diagnosis. Any comments or thoughts on that?

On the second pic, I recommend Arie's excellent comparative analysis of the Zafar and NYPD pics. There is indeed damage to the west side @ floors 14 and 15; the angle of the Zafar pic makes it difficult to discern, though.

I'm including a couple of pics below where I've circled what I think may be two similar damage features between the Zafar shot and the Spak shot. I'm not positive, but that's my current best guess on how they match up. Also circled on the Spak shot is the feature between 6 and Verizon I mentioned earlier.
Originals of the two images I'm including can be found @ http://www.webcitation.org/5N4wicTgP (archive of the Spak shot while it was briefly up on his site) and
http://amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-110.jpg
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ETA: I guess if the following floor analysis were adjusted by two floors somehow on the bottom end while ending up at the correct floor at the top, it would match everything up pretty well. I can't figure out the exact issues, though I suspect part of the difficulty is WTC 7's inset position in comparison with the Verizon building. IOW, these lines from this analysis are probably not entirely accurate. With all the pics we now have from that general location (including Arie's screenshots) it should be possible to do better, I think.
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chris sarns - September 25, 2007 09:11 PM (GMT)
The Spak graphic with the floors and columns puts the 'anomalous feature' between columns 1 ans 2.
As far as i know, there are no windows on the first five floors on either end [where it sticks out] Perhaps he's off on his column numbers.

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On the second pic, I recommend Arie's excellent comparative analysis of the Zafar and NYPD pics. There is indeed damage to the west side @ floors 14 and 15; the angle of the Zafar pic makes it difficult to discern, though.


There's something hanging from floor 15 but there is no serious damage to the corner windows on 14 and 15.

miragememories put together the best comparison composite:
[i changed the numbers and added some lines]

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chrisfarb - September 25, 2007 09:58 PM (GMT)
Awesome find! Here we go again with this. You can clearly see an exposed column on the corner now.

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waterdancer - September 26, 2007 10:40 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (chris sarns @ Sep 25 2007, 09:11 PM)
The Spak graphic with the floors and columns puts the 'anomalous feature' between columns 1 ans 2.
As far as i know, there are no windows on the first five floors on either end [where it sticks out] Perhaps he's off on his column numbers.

I think it is quite possible that the column alignment is off a bit on that Spak analysis. It's tough to draw an accurate corner line from that picture because so little of the intact SW corner is visible.

Good catch on the F feature on the NYPD pic. It really helps me to see that picture in the proper perspective:
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arie - September 26, 2007 11:17 AM (GMT)
DVD image can be downloaded here: http://www.archive.org/details/Steve_Spak_Day_Of_Disaster

AVI clips and screenshots: http://911.yweb.sk/download/video/wtc7/

chris sarns - September 27, 2007 06:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (chrisfarb @ Sep 25 2007, 01:58 PM)
Awesome find! Here we go again with this. You can clearly see an exposed column on the corner now.


Excellent composite. the blue lines high lite out the 'bent in' floors.

You're off by one floor.

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Is that yours?

If so make the correction.

Also, it would be better without the blowup insert IMO.

I went ahead and changed the numbers as best i could and i'm off to JREFerdom thank you very much.

Chris

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chris sarns - September 27, 2007 07:44 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (waterdancer @ Sep 26 2007, 02:40 AM)
QUOTE (chris sarns @ Sep 25 2007, 09:11 PM)
The Spak graphic with the floors and columns puts the 'anomalous feature' between columns 1 ans 2.
As far as i know, there are no windows on the first five floors on either end [where it sticks out] Perhaps he's off on his column numbers.

I think it is quite possible that the column alignment is off a bit on that Spak analysis. It's tough to draw an accurate corner line from that picture because so little of the intact SW corner is visible.

Good catch on the F feature on the NYPD pic. It really helps me to see that picture in the proper perspective:
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It seems Mr. Spak is off on the floor numbers as well.

Mr. Smith shows where his perspective lines come together.
http://www.studyof911.com/articles/winstonwtc701/

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Mr. Spak does not.
http://www.debunking911.com/WTC7.htm

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Your thoughts?


waterdancer - September 28, 2007 10:37 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (chris sarns @ Sep 27 2007, 07:44 AM)
Mr. Smith shows where his perspective lines come together. ...
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Mr. Spak does not. ...
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Your thoughts?

To the best of my knowledge, here is what is up with that:

Winston Smith, AKA Wecomeinpeace @ abovetopsecret did both of those image analyses based on an image which debunking911 got from Steve Spak. The original image which debunking911 had up looked like this as shown on this cache of the page but was later changed to this. As far as I know, Spak had nothing to do with the analysis. Debunking 9/11 took the initial Smith analysis and posted it on their site. Smith subsequently did a more complete and accurate paper which was posted @ http://www.studyof911.com/articles/winstonwtc701/, though I question his perspective lines a bit because he draws the Verizon upper floors down to the same vanishing point as the lower ones.

Debunking911 is still using the obviously inaccurate version (floor 22 instead of 19). http://www.webcitation.org/5SBnNjYLU

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The floors in the conspiracy theorist edit below may be off. The point of this is not to say the conspiracy theorist did a perfect job in recreating the facts. You see, I'm not arguing the conspiracy theorist is 100 percent right on his facts. After all, he is a 911 conspiracy theorist. I'm arguing that the damage to building 7 is MUCH worse than conspiracy theorist would have you believe.

chris sarns - September 29, 2007 08:51 AM (GMT)
Thanx for the background info.

Smith's second try is correct.

Column 1 is lined up with the corner of the building.

Floor 19 is correct.

No windows between column 1 & 2 on floors 3 thru 6.

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I think your anomaly is missing stone facade. That would account for the straight edge on top.




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