Can anybody take this a bit further.

First, we have the chance that at least one of the 150 was aboard the plane. In order to determine this, we have to determine the probability that none were aboard, and subtract that from one, because the probability that something will happen plus the probability that it won't happen always equals one. That's 208 one in a million chances, so we have (1 - 1/1,000,000)208 = 0.999792, or over 99% likely that there won't be at least one aboard. Therfore, the probability that there will be at least one aboard is 0.000208. Next we need to determine the chances that one of the 207 remaining passengers isn't a Global Hawk insider. For simplicity, we'll assume that the probability of any given passenger's being an insider remains one in a million. (1 - 1/1,000,000)207 = 0.999793. 1 - 0.999793 = 0.000207. Continuing gives us 1 - (1 - 1/1,000,000)206 = 0.000206; 1 - (1 - 1/1,000,000)205 = 0.000205; and 1 - (1 - 1/1,000,000)204 = 0.000204. To find the total probability, we have to multiply all of these together. (0.000208)(0.000207)(0.000206)(0.000205)(0.000204) = 3.07 * 10[sup]-19[sup], or about one chance in 2.7 * 1018 To give an idea of how large 2.7 quintillion (in US parlance) is, it's roughly the number of seconds in 85 billion years

You've never been horse racing!

uhhh... I think your thinking is way off. If they did something with the passengers, it is automatically true that they did something with ALL of the passengers. No one knows for sure whether the passengers were on the planes when they crashed.

Probability doesn't even begin to become a relevant discussion.

i think there were no passengers on any planes ... i think they landed somewhere .. while ghost planes took off ... what happened to the passengers? i have my ideas ... but obviously they are either all dead or enslaved somewhere.

tha'ts one theory, and probably just as good as any theory at this point.

it does seem like at least one body from flight 11 or 175 would find its way out of the building and onto the street immediately after impact... did that happen? I don't know for sure...

cuz you know, they said a passport from a hijacker did this... and it's only made out of paper.

Personally, I can't decide whether all of the flights were replaced by "other flights" or whether the real flights hit the targets... but it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Sure, we'd like to know this to have a better sense of reality, but NOT knowing doesn't keep us from making conclusions about how was responsible for 9/11

Yep, you guys got it.

What happened was Bush had Cheney authorize the real planes landed, then they marched the passengers out and gassed them. Then they flew up fake planes, hologram grafted missiles, and then were busy making fake voice morphed telephone calls to trick the world; before sending a missile into the pentagon with CIA spooks planting fake plane parts...then faking a crash site at Shanksville.

I mean how could the sheeple not accept this fact? It makes so much sense:)

In other words, you're nuts if you don't believe there were passengers on the planes?

I don't think the people who destroyed the towers would hesitate to kill the people from the planes. Why would they?

Well, see, that's the easy. See, the planes, crashed. The people DIED. So, in a sense, you are correct sir!

Well, see, I'm like, a smartass, like, see...

I get it. You think hijackers crashed the planes full of passengers.

I don't. We have different opinions. You don't have to act like an ass.

I apologize for the tone, but I feel that the "fake planes/no passengers or hijackers/fake calls/missiles/planted plane parts" is what makes both the left and right laugh at us.
No, I am not LIHOP in the least Im fiercly MIHOP in a different way...but I cant help but understand the South Park episode.

Lets say Im a global elite, how in the world would I be able to pay off enough people to lie and say that theres passenger remians, Flight 11/175/77/93 plane parts, etc?

Seems to me itd be much easier and realistic to have Western and Arab intelligence posing as terrorists getting a bunch of patsies out of Saudi Arabia, making sure they got visas and the FBI looking the other way, and Mossad doing what they do best in lower manhattan. I definately agree that itd doubtful the hijackers were in control of the 11/175/77 planes in their final minutes.

Would you back a horse that was 1,000,000 to 1 ?
Wouldn't those odds tell you that a hard nosed bookie knew it wouldn't/couldn't win.
The odds on all these people who were connected with Raytheon etc actually being genuine passengers are 'astronomical'.

You don't find it the slightest bit odd that the odds on so many passengers being 'connected' are ASTRONOMICAL according to scientific theory?

These passengers who might or might not be dead.
Doesn't it strike you as strange that the odds on so many of them being 'connected' are millions to one.
In other words, by scientifically accepted theory, the chances of this happening by chance don't exist. Millions and millions to one.

I'm not about what happened to the planes, but the passengers.
This is about the odds on so many passengers being 'connected'.

Did they also grease 'connected' people as passengers.

What about the odds on so many passengers being 'connected'.
The odds are 'astronomical'.

Ok, I'm humble enough to acknowledge that I came off rather smug in what I said. For that I apologize.


8bit agent kinda hit it on the head for me. i don't know what your theory is, but I always get a bit riled up over the "no planes/alternate planes" scenarios because it seems incredibly implausible and unecessary to carry ot the crime. i feel it gives critics all the ammo they need to stereotype us and make us look generally out of sync with reality.

Has anyone ever check to see how far in advance the flight tickets were made?
could be they booked all 4 flights in advance and had the power to over ride passengers not part of the plan. maybe all the passengers had fake IDs and were all planned to be on thoughts flights that morning, we are talking black op here!

Well we know for certain the Flight 93 tickets were bought by a white informant working for the FBI/CIA in Oklahoma in Norman at the Univeristy...possibly Nick Berg.

I do not believe KSM nor Osama nor Atta chose the planes nor the date.

Not as much as Ive had eternal flame wars with *he who shall not be named but turned into a no planer*, he did a lot of remarkable research. One such article, was showing
how Flight 77 alone had a lot of people connected to defense and even the Pentagon itself(a boy died in 77 whose father worked at the pentagon if I remember correctly, others worked or ran companies involved in defense)

Were told the first victim of 9/11 was Daniel Lewin, an Israeli high level elite anti hijack commando, who also ran a high level technology communications firm. Apparently, he was shot on Flight 11.

But heres the point I keep making to my fellow truthers:

Isnt it plausible that 9/11 was done in such a way to where the majority of investigators and government employees would see all the physical evidence as consistent with the official story?

Meaning, wouldnt it be too much of a leap of faith to think they faked a crash at Shanksville and Pentagon, and noone would notice?

Ive seen charred personal items, including ID's and such of the hijackers and passengers found at the Shanksville and Pentagon wreckage. Now, maybe its planted, I dont know. But I just cant help but feel that the real planes were used.

I think 9/11 was all about ultimate plausible deniability, something you cant get if
you have fake planes, no Arabs, etc.

Here is a tip for you, at the beginning of WWII Soviets have taken thousands of Polish officers into custody and killed them all just after, near small village of Katyn. Everyone knew what are the facts, investigators have seen the evidence and so on ... . It is that no one was brave enough to say it loud. And that is what it was for over 50 years. Guess why ;)

I think there ware planes prepared for both WTC towers but they ware not airliners ... we can say for sure. First was a cargo-like plane with no passenger windows and blue logo on the front (hey, did anyone heard recently if NASA lost some plane just before 9/11/01 ? ... maybe it is worth checking? ) The second one was something that looked like UA plane but was a different model and had something like JSTARS pod under the fuselage.

Common sense and basic forensic knowledge tells us that there ware no big airliners or cargo jets crushing into PENTAGON and Shanksville ... Why assassinators did not go for this? I do not know ... maybe they ware able to control the destruction more precisely by using the missile ??? ... maybe they could not prepare another plane for their drill without raising genuine sispision - remenber they had to be very secret at that stage.

anyway if there ware no passengers in the planes (it looks like they ware not there, no one found their bodies at all four locations) than we have to remember of those who ware in WTC towers (workers, firefighters, policeman) and PENTAGON (construction workers). The number of victims is big. What happened back in Katyn (mentioned at the beginning) was called manslaughter and eventually all the truth was reviled. That is why I deeply believe in truth success now.

Even tho the planes Vaporized.. and the whole building Vaporized... People all turned into nano dust... they were able to identify ALL 19 hijackers from thier DNA, (cuz you know they have 'Caveman DNA Databanks with all those guys DNA beforehand)... and the main ones passport miraculously fell out of his pocket, survived the vaporized plane, the huge fireball, and floated gently into the hands of an agent on the ground... Wow jet fuel melts steel, but doesnt phase paper... that cinches it... im putting in my request that all high rises be built from paper from now on.

:P