For those who haven't had the chance or the time to watch Reichstag 911 here is Susan McElwains account of the Missile that flew over her van as she pulled up to the stop sign at the intersection of Bridge St & Buckstown Road in Stoystown. She also describes the 2 fighter jets that were witnessed by many people in Western PA that day. She also debunks the Falcon20 Corporate Jet Conspiracy theory and the A10 Warthog one.

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Hi Terrorcell,

very interesting and important interview!

This is not correct. This intersection is about one mile north of Shanksville and about one mile south of the crash side on a ridge. Stoystown is more than 3 miles away to the northwest.

In Somerset I have spoken with a witness who has also seen two fighter jets just BEFORE the crash. He was about one or two miles away from the crash side.

Viola Saylor and a groundskeeper has identified a Thunderbolt. Were they lying?
Saylor also has seen two "normal" planes.

In the Video Mcelwain says she didn`t heard the explosion that day(???).
Did she saw the mushroom cloud or the fireball? How did she know that this plane was crashing?

She also says she didn`t saw the wings. But if it was a missile she should have heard the noise of a missile.
She don`t mentions the two rear engines. In earlier reports she described the plane with this two engines.

The most interesting thing for me is that she confesses that she didn`t heard the explosion that day. "It was like about two days later before I ... you know."
This sounds clearly like a slip of the tongue. After this she is upset.
What did she want to tell the reporter before she broke off???

The intersection is in Stoystown. Google Earth. ;-)
And the intersection is 1.2 miles south from the crash.

Would the person you spoke to be willing to talk to me? Is it someone mentioned in the media print or an undocumented witness?

Viola Saylor is on my contact list. I suspect that AFP lied about her account, especially seeing Bollyn authored the article and after having some private conversations with others in his circle I heard about how Shanksville was a devil worshipping gothic cult town. Of course this ridiculous theory of his that he told to Phil Jayhan who tried to get me to accept "Jesus Christ as my lord and savior" is nonsense.

I don't know what the "normal" planes are. I would imagine the 2 planes she saw was the fighter jets, the white plane she saw was the missile, and the other plane was "UA93".

Susan saw the explosion. Because of shock she didn't recall hearing the explosion. I would imagine seeing this object fly over her and expoding shook her up pretty badly.

Alot of people reported hearing the noise of a missile such as Joe Wilt and Barry Lichy. I think there was one or two other accounts in the print media along with Ernie Stuhl's statement about knowing 2 people who heard a missile. There was a groundskeeper at a nearby golf course who also heard the sound of a missile.

To me the most interesting thing is her description of the missile. I would imagine trauma blanked out the sound to her at the moment. She also put me under the impression that she doesn't believe "UA93" was anywhere near because she didn't see it and believes a 757 a mile away would have been noticed.

To me... I dont know... but it is shocking to hear her account.

I mean... she clearly is saying that something is very wrong with the official story.

Here is old interview with Susan: www.globalresearch.ca/articles/WAL403A.html

Complete Susan McElwain Interview

This is even more interesting... that is, see all the interview.

But when I listen to her try to describe what see saw... Then..I dont know... what about a special millitary "plane" or object... mostly unknown to the puplic... some kind of an object between a missile and a plane.
(Just a thought)

That would explain why it is so hard for her to say exactly what it was. But maybe she has never seen a missile or global hawk... that is, do not know how missile or global hawk looks like.

But... VERY interesting interview (imo)

He is an undocumented witness. I could imagine he is willing to talk to you. But I only know his first name and I think he is one of many witnesses who has seen the two fighter jets.

A missile with a spoiler???
At the time when she saw the "flying object" she was not traumatized. I think she actually didn`t heard any sound. A missile should be smaller than her Van(?)

The women in the trailer apparently didn`t heard the explosion too.

The more I think about it the more I'm thinking it is some sort of UAV.

Download the Google video player and then you can download this video and many other videos which the player automatically stores. It is nice being able to watch these videos offline in the comfort of your home and being able to copy them to dvd to share with family and friends. All patriotic Americans should store these videos and other information and photos so one day these traitors will be brought to justice.

It seems from Susan McElwain's description (ie: no wings, spoiler, seamless construction, no rivets) that she was describing a cruise missile. And it was flying into the official crash site from the opposite direction (EAST) than the official direction (WEST).

AGM-86C/D Conventional Air Launched Cruise Missile

BGM-109 Tomahawk

RQ-4 Global Hawk

Don't forget there was also a C-130 over the 'Flight 93 crash site' admitted to finally after a month of lying by the Defense Department and admitted to by the pilot Lt Colonel O'Brien. The same C-130 was also admitted to by the Defense Department and the pilot over the Pentagon at that 'Flight 77 crash site'.

Lt Colonel O'Brien discusses witnessing two 9-11 crashes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUqbOgFiPDI

Witnessing, now remembering the 9-11 attacks
http://www.dma.state.mn.us/press_room/e-zi...dex.php?item=75

Did Flight 93 Crash in Shanksville?
http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html

"The Reaper is loaded, but there's no one on board. Its pilot, as it bombs targets in Iraq, will sit at a video console 7,000 miles away in Nevada."

Full story > here <


"The MQ-9 Reaper, when compared with the 1995-vintage Predator, represents a major evolution of the unmanned aerial vehicle, or UAV."

It is always worth remembering that this is just what they are happy to tell us exists and so there are other options we do not know about.
It is certainly worthy of investigation as to what she saw, she certainly was upset by it and she was prepared to go on camera with this.

Can we definitively decide what she saw? I don't think so, yet but she has certainly given the world something to investigate.

I still have a problem with just how they expected to get away with this and why they would build into their plan things that would eventually cause their downfall, so I am undecided but certainly interested.
If anybody can help me out there.....

BaB


ETA : aaannnnddddd I meant to post this in the lounge thread, ahem :huh:

I've been making trips back and forth to Shanksville since September...a good dozen plus and I haven't met a single person yet who saw a C130. And everyone in western PA knows what one of those looks like.......

Yeah I figure it would be really easy to configure an UAV to be packed full of explosives, very easy.

Right now we don't have positive identification for the type of craft it was, but thats not to say we won't. We are also in contact with other people who have seen this, clearly Susan wasn't the only one.

The Pittsburgh Tribune and other local papers reported Indian Lake residents making 911 calls reporting a "plane breaking up on their homes". The problem with this is the only away "UA93" could be that plane would be if it flew pass the crater as Indian Lake is after the crash site in the flight path.

And I put this in both forums because I believe it is that important.

;)

send her photos.

MQ-9 Reaper Predator-B Hunter-Killer UAV

Very large photo
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/shared/media/photo...F-0782R-115.jpg

Not just her.


;)

This one has a "spoiler", is white, two upright wings on the spoiler and two rear engines.
Its called "Proteus"

I hope I got it now...




The Beechcraft Starship is coincidental with every eyewitness account I am knowing(goofy tail, military look, learjet type...)

Terrorcell, can you send this picture too?


When Raytheon (Beech) Aircraft killed the all composite Starship program, they re-purchased the fleet except for three owners who refused to sell. In total, there were about 50 units built.
While some Starships went to museums, most went to the Arizona desert where they were chopped up and incinerated with Raytheon picking up the tab.
Link

Does anybody know more about the re-purchased fleet?

I'll pass those along but I will tell you this :

Can there be more than 1 craft?

Some witnesses recall this having wings, some don't.
All agree on the following though :

Back Spoiler
All White
No Markings
No Windows
No Noise
Was there before and after the event
Not a F20 :P

And not one of them believes there could be a human being inside of it

pi3, Susan Mcelwain is denying that it was an A-10 Thunderbolt. Watch the video nearly at the end.

i'm curious as to whether or not what susan saw is the exact same thing that others witnessed or if we're talking about 2 seperate objects...

The following is an email exchange with an eyewitness who wishes to not go public out of fear

So kind of like these :







DEFINITELY NOT ONE OF THESE!!!!! :



I also showed Susan's video to an Iraq War Vet and he told me it sounded like the type of drone planes he had seen in Iraq, but had only seen them twice in the 2 years he was there.

Some witnesses described the plane as completely white? Not just as a white jet?

I don`t know an eyewitness account that the plane had no windows. Have you heard it from an eyewitness?

yes. one witness said "didn't look like you could put a person in it so why would there be windows?"

it stayed a couple minutes afterwards flying around filming the debris.

obviously it filmed whatever else happened beforehand..

Very interesting. That sounds like the plane was too small to put a person in it?
Do you think this plane was there just for filming or to shoot down a plane/ bomb the crater too?

I can't speculate because of the presence of the 2 fighter jets and not knowing what type of craft it is. You can bank on that UAV having an on board camera though. Whatever this plane is it is top secret. Witness's spent months on the internet trying to identify it and haven't been successful.

What we have is a cross between a global hawk and a predator drone with some type of spoiler on the back. Silent too.......

Did the witnesses notice if the air frame they saw had fixed landing gear? Except for the Global Hawk and the Predator and the Proteus, most of these UAVs seem to have fixed landing gear.

IAI Heron (Mahatz) MALE UAV
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...active%26sa%3DN

RQ-2 Pioneer UAV
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/systems/pioneer.htm

IAI Searcher Mk II UAV
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/air.../Searcher2.html

IAI Scout UAV

Raptor D-2 UAV This one seems to be top-secret and I could only find one photo and no info on a Korean site. It appears to have a prop on the nose and port and starboard air intakes towards the rear which might be mistaken for engines by the witnesses.
http://geo.arc.nasa.gov/sge/UAVFiRE/whitepaper.pdf


Proteus UAV dropping bomb
http://www1.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Movie/Pr...EM-0042-03.html
http://www1.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Movie/Pr.../EM-0042-03.mov


E-hunter UAV
http://www.irconnect.com/noc/press/pages/n...es.html?d=75921
http://www.defense-update.com/products/h/hunter.htm

Belgian B-Hunter UAV at Tuzla-the six N°80 Squadron B-Hunter UAVs logged over 300 flying hours all over Bosnia-Herzegovina in 2005

Shadow 600 UAV
http://www.deagel.com/Tactical-Unmanned-Ai...a001751001.aspx

Predator UAV

Global Hawk cutaway

UAV Gallery
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...active%26sa%3DN
Global Hawk 1st flight video
http://media.primezone.com/cache/189/file/4003.wmv
Infrared video footage from Hunter UAV of a Viper Strike engagement against a moving vehicle, followed by Battle Damage Assessment video provided by the same Hunter platform.
http://media.primezone.com/cache/189/file/3821.mpg
Smart Weapons for UAVs
http://www.defense-update.com/features/du-...e_armedUAVs.htm

Scaled Composites Raptor UAV
http://www.scaled.com/projects/raptor.html

Raptor UAV details
http://uav.wff.nasa.gov/UAVDetail.cfm?RecordID=Raptor
http://www.cre8tivenergy.com/uav.htm
http://wildrc.com/htmlpages/raptor.html

Found something about the Raptor D-2 UAV about 1/3 down on page 11
Raptor D-2 1996
OTH Communications with Tracking & Data Relay Satellite System
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntr..._2006229195.pdf

Here are a few videos of the Predator UAV in action:
http://www.livingroom.org.au/uavblog/archi...r_uav_video.php
http://www.ferrenburg.com/11RS/OLD%20-%201...JUNE%202001.MPG
http://www.ferrenburg.com/11RS/OLD%20-%20Pred2001.mpeg
http://www.ferrenburg.com/11RS/OLD%20-%20predatorshot.mpg

Here is a list of all the known UAVs as of 2004 and the Raptor D-2 is not on it
http://www.uavforum.com/vehicles/overview.htm

Bush Regime Justice
http://www.markfiore.com/animation/catchem.html

Source

Interesting to note Lee Purbaugh describes the "UA93" crash in graphic detail but didn't "get a good look" at the UAV. Independently confirmed eyewitness accounts put it at the crash site a tad bit longer than Purbaugh does as well. Purbaugh is most likely scared to tell the truth.

This is really interesting TC, great work! Perhaps it might be one of those classified projects not just yet available on the global market. Might be good to watch for new UAVs being released by the likes of Raytheon in the near future.

This thing is absolutely fascinating. I need to find someone who can make an image of it. I know exactly what this thing looks like and would love to have a pic made that I could take to the area that would blow peoples minds and perhaps get a couple people to speak publicly.

Susan Mcelwain's ORIGINAL statement (before the feds got hold of her) contained the following line:

"It was traveling real fast, but hardly made any sound."

Which disinfo agents have picked up on an claimed to be proof that the thing Susan Mcelwain saw was a 'Highly Classified Unmanned Arial Vehicle' (their words) that 'no one knows about', not a medium sized military jet with "two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side" as she originally described and as seen by twenty or thirty witnesses on the day.
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=14431

She saw a missile. She said she didn't see wings on the aircraft. It cannot be a military jet that went down in Shanksville, because we would see some debris other than a few scraps of unidentifiable scrap metal. We would also see a fire. There was no intense fire damage at Shanksville. Only a lightly burnt field. Some of the dirt and grass inside and around the rim of the crater was unburnt. There was little firefighter action at the scene.

Susan Mcelwain didn't see the mystery jet everyone else saw when she described the aircraft that flew over her. She saw the missile that it fired into Shanksville.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity....=susan_mcelwain
“There’s no way I imagined this plane—it was so low it was virtually on top of me. It was white with no markings but it was definitely military, it just had that look. It had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side. I haven’t found one like it on the Internet. It definitely wasn’t one of those executive jets. The FBI came and talked to me and said there was no plane around.… But I saw it and it was there before the crash and it was 40 feet above my head. They did not want my story—nobody here did.”


http://vehme.blogspot.com/2007/08/history-...acy-of-911.html
"I was just driving along here. It was a beautiful day. I had the window open; had the stereo on, and when I got up here, almost to the stop sign, this small white plane - at the time, that's what I thought it was - went overtop of me. It was so smooth and it just glided over me, just like that [tilting had to show and almost vertical banking turn.] And then I ducked, and when I looked up again, then it was the spoiler - which is what I call it - and it was tipped like this [rocks hands back to indicate tipping front up and back down] so I could really see the spoiler. And then it just banked to the right, then went over and down behind those trees. We got to watching it on TV and they kept saying that it was a large plane, like a 757. And I was like, no what I saw was no jet [I assume she is intending 'jumbo jet']. That would have blown me off the road, if it went over me, you know, that close. I sad, na, that wasn't it. So, like I said, at about 11:30 that night, the FBI came; wanted to talk to me. They kept asking me how big the plane was. And I said the plane, you know, it was small, it wasn't much bigger than my van, that I saw, and it went over top of me. And he says, "you don't know what a 757 looks like". And I said, you know, don't be condescending to me. You know, if you don't want to believe me that's fine, but what I saw, I though I should report, and you aught to know there was something else in the air at the same time this was going on, and you want to make sure it was ours and not somebody else's. And that's when he did seem to get a little nicer. Told me it was a white Lear Jet. Somebody was taking picture. I said: before the crash? And he says: well we gotta go. And that was the end of it."

Man this is great work Terrorcell. So it was a UAV over the area? How come she didn't see the plane coming down on the other side of the treeline?

Thank you!!

Yes, from the witnesses that I have spoken with to date there is no doubt that there was a UAV there. Also 2 Fighter Jets.

I don't really have an answer to your question. I can speculate. Truth is though she was 1.2 miles southwest of the crater.....she should have seen a huge 757 falling out of the sky. It could be that she wasn't paying attention, like she said she was driving along with the windows down and the radio up oblivious to her surroundings until the UAV flew over. It's possible she didn't see it. It's possible that there wasn't a plane coming down on the other side of the treeline as well.

I hope you're not appealing to that schlock interview you conduced with Susan McElwain. All you managed to do with that was to show your own ineptitude and dishonesty. You have yet to retract your slanderous disinformation about Christopher Bollyn.

How can you even say that? The interview TC did with Susan Mcelwain set alot of things straight.