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Title: Report That Flight 93 Crashed Near Camp David
Description: confirmed by Ari Fleischer


Woody Box - July 10, 2007 08:05 PM (GMT)
It looks like I have to update my Camp David article. Here's a quote from Ari Fleischer, former White House speaker, in a CNN documentary from 9/11/06:

S. O'BRIEN: And you're flying around, moving the president. The Pentagon has been hit, and you're not going back.

FLEISCHER: That's correct. We heard about the Pentagon on the way to Air Force One in the motorcade. We boarded Air Force One and went straight into the president's cabinet to start taking notes. That's when we heard about the fourth plane. The first report being, Soledad, it went down near Camp David. That was the first report the president got. The worst thing was we didn't know what was next.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0609/11/ltm.04.html

The interesting thing here: Fleischer confirms that it was Camp David - not Shanksville - that was believed to be Flight 93's crash site. This is in accordance with CBS News: they say that a large airliner, a 767, crashed in western Pennsylvania (without identification!), but later they say that Flight 93 crashed in the vicinity of Camp David.

So Bush was told Flight 93 crashed at Camp David. Powell tells the press still at 12:30 that a plane crashed near Camp David. CBS News reports it. I think, we can take it for sure that Cheney, Mineta and every other official in the PEOC was told the same story.

It doesn't matter if this Camp David crash is fact or rumor. I believe it is only rumor. But no official - apart from Powell in his early news conference - has told us this story until Ari Fleischer came forward. Neither Cheney, nor Mineta, nor Clarke, nor anyone else: Flight 93 was believed to have crashed or been shot down near Camp David.

Why not?







postbaguk - July 20, 2007 03:15 PM (GMT)
Not sure where you're going with this line of investigation Woody.

Looking at the flight path of Flight 93, it would almost have overflown Camp David had it not crashed near Stoystown. It certainly appears to be the nearest potential target (though not a likely one IMO). Perhaps it's possible amid the confusion of the day that an early news report gave the site crash as somewhere near Camp David simply because nowhere had any idea where Stoystown was?

Who knows?

Can you explain why you think this line of enquiry might be fruitful?

Thanks.

Woody Box - July 23, 2007 08:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (postbaguk @ Jul 20 2007, 03:15 PM)


Can you explain why you think this line of enquiry might be fruitful?

Thanks.



Of course. My recent postings present additional evidence to this article here:

http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2007/04/mi...sh-at-camp.html

If you've read the article, some of your questions might be answered.

Bottom line of this research is, that air traffic controllers, the military, firefighters in Washington, journalists and politicians from Bush to Powell (and probably Cheney and Mineta in their bunker, too) believed that Flight 93 was still airborne after the Shanksville explosion and on its way to Washington, and that the plane was believed to have crashed at Camp David for a good while.

The 9/11 Commission speculates it was only the "projected flight path" of Flight 93 that was being observed:

At 10:02, the communicators in the shelter began receiving reports from the Secret Service of an inbound aircraft-presumably hijacked-heading toward Washington. That aircraft was United 93.The Secret Service was getting this information directly from the FAA. The FAA may have been tracking the progress of United 93 on a display that showed its projected path to Washington, not its actual radar return. Thus, the Secret Service was relying on projections and was not aware the plane was already down in Pennsylvania.217

But controllers in charge for Flight 93, Andrews AFB officers, and the people in the PEOC bunker like David Bohrer don't talk about a misinterpretated radar blip. They say the real Flight 93 was on its way to Washington when it - according to the official story - impossibly can't have been airborne.

I'm simply suggesting to consider strongly that Flight 93 didn't crash at Shanksville, but continued its path towards Washington D.C.






Terrorcell - July 24, 2007 02:41 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Woody Box @ Jul 23 2007, 08:21 PM)
QUOTE (postbaguk @ Jul 20 2007, 03:15 PM)


Can you explain why you think this line of enquiry might be fruitful?

Thanks.



Of course. My recent postings present additional evidence to this article here:

http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2007/04/mi...sh-at-camp.html

If you've read the article, some of your questions might be answered.

Bottom line of this research is, that air traffic controllers, the military, firefighters in Washington, journalists and politicians from Bush to Powell (and probably Cheney and Mineta in their bunker, too) believed that Flight 93 was still airborne after the Shanksville explosion and on its way to Washington, and that the plane was believed to have crashed at Camp David for a good while.

The 9/11 Commission speculates it was only the "projected flight path" of Flight 93 that was being observed:

At 10:02, the communicators in the shelter began receiving reports from the Secret Service of an inbound aircraft-presumably hijacked-heading toward Washington. That aircraft was United 93.The Secret Service was getting this information directly from the FAA. The FAA may have been tracking the progress of United 93 on a display that showed its projected path to Washington, not its actual radar return. Thus, the Secret Service was relying on projections and was not aware the plane was already down in Pennsylvania.217

But controllers in charge for Flight 93, Andrews AFB officers, and the people in the PEOC bunker like David Bohrer don't talk about a misinterpretated radar blip. They say the real Flight 93 was on its way to Washington when it - according to the official story - impossibly can't have been airborne.

I'm simply suggesting to consider strongly that Flight 93 didn't crash at Shanksville, but continued its path towards Washington D.C.

would that put it around 3 minutes more south?


postbaguk - July 28, 2007 09:02 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Woody Box @ Jul 23 2007, 08:21 PM)
QUOTE (postbaguk @ Jul 20 2007, 03:15 PM)


Can you explain why you think this line of enquiry might be fruitful?

Thanks.



Of course. My recent postings present additional evidence to this article here:

http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2007/04/mi...sh-at-camp.html

If you've read the article, some of your questions might be answered.

Bottom line of this research is, that air traffic controllers, the military, firefighters in Washington, journalists and politicians from Bush to Powell (and probably Cheney and Mineta in their bunker, too) believed that Flight 93 was still airborne after the Shanksville explosion and on its way to Washington, and that the plane was believed to have crashed at Camp David for a good while.

The 9/11 Commission speculates it was only the "projected flight path" of Flight 93 that was being observed:

At 10:02, the communicators in the shelter began receiving reports from the Secret Service of an inbound aircraft-presumably hijacked-heading toward Washington. That aircraft was United 93.The Secret Service was getting this information directly from the FAA. The FAA may have been tracking the progress of United 93 on a display that showed its projected path to Washington, not its actual radar return. Thus, the Secret Service was relying on projections and was not aware the plane was already down in Pennsylvania.217

But controllers in charge for Flight 93, Andrews AFB officers, and the people in the PEOC bunker like David Bohrer don't talk about a misinterpretated radar blip. They say the real Flight 93 was on its way to Washington when it - according to the official story - impossibly can't have been airborne.

I'm simply suggesting to consider strongly that Flight 93 didn't crash at Shanksville, but continued its path towards Washington D.C.

Thanks for the clarification.

Interesting, well thought out and presented website of yours, puts other more sensationalist and (dare I say it) disinformationist sites to shame.

joe911 - August 5, 2007 12:32 PM (GMT)
which raises the question, what crashed at shanksville?




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