:) the country NEEDS TO KNOW if a mormon is running for president

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS SECRETLY GROOMING MITT ROMNEY TO COUNTER THE DEMOCRATIC MOVEMENT TO ELECT HILLARY AND BILL CLINTON

DO YOU THINK MITT ROMNEY WOULD MAKE A GOOD PRESIDENT ?
this country is suffering from a GAPING WOUND of lost belief in democracy, lost belief in our government. we have a lot of healing to do, there is much needed repair of our governing body, and out of that need,

many now contemplate what might be learned from a BODY OF PEOPLE CALLED THE LDS CHURCH, A PEOPLE who have organized health care, unlimited grocery supply and crop production, economic reforms that liberate people from credit card debt, a way of life that is competely devoid of decadence, prostitution, drug addiction, crime, hate, illiteracy, unemployment, I could go on.

this topic offers to touch on exploration of all such possibilities, with our elections coming up, it is important to know the facts so we can best choose what is right for this country, a country badly in need of healing and reform

wouldnt it be nice to walk away with a few things they can offer which would make life a little cleaner, less selfish, not as cold, not callous, or hardened, to help heal a country that has become( for many ) artificial and down-right barren, spiritually.

lets explore what this could mean for us ...

Why did you start this thread?

ask me.

answer: yes

usually this question is really masked as: Does the Mormon understanding of Christ comes close enough to my own notions that I can consider them somewhat "mainstream" Christians? That I can't answer.

Mormons believe in the New Testament and that Jesus is the Son of God the Eternal Father. Ask away any questions you have.

some say cult

you'll see

we'll see

so, are you an EXPERT or something?

I would say, no.

They deny the deity of Christ: the most important factor of Christianity.

I'm a faithful member, so I'd guess I can say I am an expert.

Here are the 13 articles of faith of the mormon (lds) church:

1 We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.
3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
5 We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
6 We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
7 We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
9 We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
10 We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/a_of_f/1

You are a Mormon?

I believe they are they believe in Jesus, and that Josef Smith is devine.
He found some silver tablets left by god?
:rolleyes:

I thought he found a Captain Crunch decoder ring, and special glasses that see into the future.

Awesome stuff bro.

:D
I can tell you ONE thing, Mitt Romney AINT no mormon

That sounds like magic to me, they must be witches and devils. They all seem a little freaky to me maybe they're all sprung on coke and speed and have their intermost sexual desires twisted in the homosexual way, I know lets go spy on them and see what they do in there secret underground dungeon/cellars, maybe we can see some drug deals go down? anyways I'm ready :ph43r:

only if they DROP OUT life is like a convent, until you drop out.

dude, the FEDS have been SPYING on them for YEARS ... cant turn up anything

according to south park,

Mormans believe that Jesus had adventures in America, and this guy Joseph smith met an angel who told him that, and that indians were all white, but were turned red for punishment.
Then Smith read some tablets out of a hat and wrote the book of morman, but the guy who wrote what Smith dictated hid the writings to test smith. Then smith said that god punished him, and gave him new tablets that had the same story, but worded differently and with slight changes...

but south park has been wrong before [9/11]

Yes.

I can tell there's some semblance of truth that has gotten kind of twisted regarding mormons, based on these posts. But rather than give a doctrinal spiel, I suppose I should just answer any questions. But people will have their notions regardless of what I say.

You're asking whether The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is Christian?

They certainly consider themselves to be Christian, and whether someone thinks it of himself has to be the ultimate standard.

who, me?

:lol:

I'm curious as to how the President gets to be President.

OK. are you a bishop?
do the members of your church know what we know about 911?

I am not a bishop. I would say that most members do not know\think 9/11 was an inside job, and though there definitely are some. I wish there were more.

I think I posted something here a couple months ago about one of the church presidents who spoke a lot about conspiracies in government and the need to be vigilant protecting our freedoms. that was Ezra Taft Benson in the 60's - 80's about.

Let me lay down some important background. We believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, like how Nathan and Isaiah etc. were prophets in ancient Israel. One of the things that Joseph Smith did was translate a compilation of ancient writings about Jesus Christ called the Book of Mormon. It's called the Book of Mormon because a person named Mormon took several ancient writings and abridged and compiled them down into a single book, called the Book of Mormon. Now you know where the nickname "Mormons" come from. It's not the official title of the church.

Anyway, the Book of Mormon contains writings from a group of people who left Jerusalem around 600 BC and eventually made it to the New World (America). They wrote spiritual things and some things about their society. Some time after Christ was killed and then resurrected, he visited some of the people in the New World, teaching them basically the same things he taught the people in Israel during his mortal life. The people lived peacfully for a long time after his visit, but eventually fell and degenerated and the historically more righteous group were killed off by the historically more wicked group. The last writer of the Book or Mormon appeared to Joseph Smith in angelic form and told him whether he had hidden the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith translated it into English.

The Book of Mormon does not replace the Bible, it goes along with it and in fact supports it. In fact, we believe there are other scripture that is lost to us that will eventually be found one way or another. We don't worship Joseph Smith, we worship God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. Joseph Smith is revered as a great man, but just a man, not a deity (kind of like the old testament prophets).

Ok, so Mormon writes in the Book of Mormon that the writings are really not for his contemporaries, but for our day. He writes about how he has seen our day and warns us not to be deceived. One of the things he warns us about in the latter days is "secret combinations." This is a topic that Ezra Taft Benson spoke often about (see video clip here http://video.google.com/url?docid=-6587837...4awe8kQmJ1NRP2w ).

The interesting thing is that the members of the church have had constitutional issues as part of official church curriculum, and they have had several church presidents warn of secret combinations, and in fact the unfolding of secret combinations is depicted in a book they consider scripture, yet the majority of them are not on board with 9/11 truth unfortunately. But I keep my hopes up. When push comes to shove I think they will do well.

there are two groups, many people hear about the one that practices plurality of marriage and confuse them with your LDS church, isnt that right?



on the issues:
I honestly do not think that Mitt Romney is going to be a proper representative of
his faith, due to his stand on issues

I personally do not feel that his stand on ISRAEL is the right one for this country, we should not shed any more blood in the middle east

people are going to use the word mormon anyway, so I will to so people can familiarize with what we are saying.

WHAT KIND OF COUNTRY WOULD WE HAVE if Mitt Romney were allowed to lead?

No they are technically not Christians. 1 out of 3 people in my area are Mormon. ;)

1 out of 3 ? what makes you think that?

Here are some other excerpts that mormons consider scripture:

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/101/77,80#77

Beson said once in an official church capacity:

here's a good lds site that is on board with 9/11 truth:
http://awakeandarise.org/

Polygamy was practiced officially in the church after Joseph Smith died when the mormons came to Utah. The practice was stopped in 1890 (or thereabouts). It is grounds for excommunication from the church if you try to do it now, so anyone who does do it is not part of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints but some offshoot.

As for Mitt Romney, I would say that most mormons see him as basically a decent mormon guy, but a politician nonetheless. In fact, I have been a little surprised at the lack of support I've seen for him. Most mormons seem more interested in the attention the church has gotten rather than if Romney will actually be President.

If Mitt Romney were President, and if he stuck to offical LDS church principles, it would be great. One of the most important tenets of the church is to let people exerice their free will, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. We do not believe in a theocracy (until Christ comes again), and in fact are big supporters of the separation of church and state as a point of doctrine. Now whether Romney would stick to that or just be like any other Republican is yet to be seen. I think he is a tool of the elite and doesn't know it, therefore he is dangerous.

COOL, so does that mean we get to smoke POT? so long as we dont smoke and drive?

will he protect our right to bear arms?

he would have my vote, provided he promises to stay out of the middle east
I do not feel that Israel is sustainable. any partnership with them will bring big
trouble over here

Uh...well...as a member of the church you would not be in good standing if you smoked pot because it violates the Word of Wisdom, which is where the no coffee, alcohol, etc. comes from, too. But there is no official church position on what should be done about drugs as a matter of public policy. In fact, there very few official church positions on anything regarding public policy.

When I was at BYU, an econ prof said that there was some meeting of the econ professors some time and someone asked whether they thought drugs should be illegal. It was split about 50-50, and this was at a church-run school of mormons in good standing. It doesn't mean they condone its use, just that as a matter of public policy it may not be a good idea to make it illegal.

Remember, I can't speak for what Romney would do as a President because there's no guarantee that he will stick to church principles, or even see them the same way I do. I don't think he is stalwart and vigilant when it comes to protecting freedom or the constitution, but not because he is mormon, but because he is a republican politician. He;s no Ron Paul. I think that's why I haven't seen a huge amount of support for him from members of the church. He seems just like the rest of the republicans. There's really nothing "mormon" shining through.

Mormons are not Christians, they are a cult.

Hey, you're all a cult.

mmmm.... I love 10 and 12... That makes me feel like a true and proper sheep for the good shepherd to guide throughout life and then death...

loverly

What I find exceedingly humorous in this debate is that mainstream Christians don't think that they are a cult but Mormons are. Like their myths are way more real than Mormon myths ... lol... I'm sorry. I don't mean to be offensive - you all just sound so absurd to me. Christians get a little pissy when their exclusive savior patent is tested in the court of public opinion... lol

keep in mind that #12 is within this context:

SO YOU THINK RON PAUL HAS THE MORMON VOTE? LETS SEE HOW MANY MILLION MEMBERS ARE THERE?

about mitt romney...

so smoking pot would not get you kicked out of church, just lower your standing within the church. right?

so if the baby boomers legalize pot, then MITT ROMNEY, sitting in the white house, following his beliefs, would SIGN THE BILL legallizing pot, not VETO. right?

sounds encouraging because my understanding of the church doctrine has outlined specific guidelines about the rule of law, namely that if the united states legalizes pot, the church cannot disciplen members for smoking the stuff.

Well, to really get kicked out of the church you have to do some pretty bad things or turn against the church itself. If you just live a less-than-righteous lifestyle (as the church defines it) you will not be able to participate in some of the ordinances. There are guidlines but some of this is up to the discretion of the local church leaders. If you openly smoked pot I don't think you'd be kicked out, but they wouldn't let you get baptized or take the Sacrament, stuff like that. Whether it is legal or not wouldn't change this because it goes against the Word of Wisdom (church's laws on health) anyway.

The church doesn't take any action against individuals if he\she gets in trouble with the law, unless it's a felony. But all the church can do to you is withdraw its fellowship and church priviledges. It is a tenet that the church (or any church) has no right to take your property, life, or freedom (meaning jailtime). that is only the jurisdiction of the civil government.

the only 2008 presidential sticker I have seen on a car at church is a Ron Paul sticker, but I don't think that is representative.

I tell you what, I think the mormons have got the best ideas of how government should be. I wish I could just go on and on and keep expounding. The problem is that not enough mormons are actually living their religion. Anyone who's seen Steven Jones' lectures has seen some Book of Mormon and church references. 9/11 truth fits right in with LDS church doctrine (and prophecy). I think that's quite remarkable. I just can't get enough mormons to recognize this.

wholeheartedly agree, cant learn ANYTHING with hatemonger chanting in the way of knowledge. any church that tells people HOW TO THINK is a cult. never heard of the mormons telling their members how to think, in fact, heard that they even encourage members to read the KORAN and ALL books, just to become familiar with the beliefs and understandings of people all over the world.

ever hear of a BAPTIST preacher, of PAT ROBERTSON telling people to read the KORAN? hell no!

wow, did not know ANY church that was tolerant of pot, may be the wave of the future. I could live without communion, if still protected as a member.

what protections are offered to members, anyway? do they help pay the bills?
food assistance? support from fellow members in a natural disaster?

Check out this section of the Book of Mormon and you tell me if this doesn't hit the nail on the head.

After the author explains how a particular group fell, he warns to watch out for the same types of secret combinations in the latter-days:

"18 And it came to pass that they formed a secret combination, even as they of old; which combination is most abominable and wicked above all, in the sight of God;
19 For the Lord worketh not in secret combinations, neither doth he will that man should shed blood, but in all things hath forbidden it, from the beginning of man.
20 And now I, Moroni, do not write the manner of their oaths and combinations, for it hath been made known unto me that they are had among all people, and they are had among the Lamanites.
21 And they have caused the destruction of this people of whom I am now speaking, and also the destruction of the people of Nephi.
22 And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not.
23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.
24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.
25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.
26 Wherefore, I, Moroni, am commanded to write these things that evil may be done away, and that the time may come that Satan may have no power upon the hearts of the children of men, but that they may be persuaded to do good continually, that they may come unto the fountain of all righteousness and be saved. "
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ether/8/24#24

this SECRET COMBINATION stuff is used in propaganda against the church, perhaps you can help me understand what your people mean by

SECRET COMBINATIONS you mean CONSPIRACIES, like in GOVT. CONSPIRACY ?

DOES SECRET COMBINATIONS MEAN ALLIANCES WITH OTHER NATIONS?

IS THE ATTROCITY OF 911 understood by your church to be an act of
secret combination by our own government?

By Paster Cooper:

They are not Christians for several reasons, and their unbiblical doctrines show them to be a "Christian" cult.

The name Christian was first used, as Acts 11:26 records, to identify the disciples of Jesus Christ. The word "Christian" is the Greek word "christianos," and it means an adherent of Jesus Christ. It literally means "Christ ones" (Acts 11:26, 26:28, 1 Peter 4:16). The correct definition of the word is one who is a follower of the Jesus Christ of the Bible. For almost two thousand years it has never had a reference to anyone other that the historical Jesus Christ of the New Testament.

Why Mormons Are Not Christian:

First: Mormons do not follow or believe in the historic Jesus Christ of the Bible, but rather in a difference Jesus. This is why most Biblical Christians emphatically insist that Mormons are not Christians. Let me explain.

The god of the Mormons is not the God of the Bible. To the Mormons, Jesus is the firstborn son of an exalted "man" who became the god of this world. The man-god of Mormonism was made the god of this world because of his good works on another planet somewhere out in the universe. He "earned" godhood, and was thus appointed by a counsel of gods in the heavens to his high position as the god of planet Earth. The Mormon god of this world was a man, like all men, who became a god. This is what the celestial marriage and the temple vows are all about. LDS men, by doing their temple work, are striving for exaltation by which they, too, shall one day become gods. Their wives will be the mother goddesses of "their" world and with their husband will produce the population of their world. This is the Mormon doctrine of "eternal progression."

Note the following quote from the Mormon Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, page 123, made by the LDS Apostle Orson Hyde:

"Remember that God, our heavenly Father, was perhaps once a child, a mortal like we ourselves, and rose step by step in the scale of progress, in the school of advancement; has moved forward and overcome, until He has arrived at the point were He is."

Lorenzo Snow, late President of the Mormon church, made this statement in the second verse of his famous poem entitled, "Man's Destiny":

"As Abra'm, Isaac, Jacob, too, babes, then men--to gods they grew. As man now is, our God once was; As now God is, so man may be,-- Which doth unfold man's destiny. . ."

The God of the Bible is not an exalted man. The God of the Bible is omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient. The Bible says He is the only God and there are no other Gods. He had no beginning or end and he is a spirit being and never was a man.

Note the clear teaching of the Bible as to who the real God is:

Numbers 23:19, "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?"

Psalms 102:26-27, "They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end."

Isaiah 43:10-11, "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour."

Isaiah 44:6, "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

Isaiah 44:8, "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."

Isaiah 45:21-22, "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."

Jeremiah 23:24, "Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD."

Malachi 3:6, "For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed."

John 1:16-18, "And of his fullness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

John 4:24, "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

Romans 1:22, "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things."

Colossians 1:15, "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:"

1 Timothy 1:17, "Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen."

1 Timothy 6:16, "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."

Clearly, Mormonism's god is not the God of Christianity who is the God revealed to us in the Bible. The Mormon god is a god formed from the imaginations of Joseph Smith, and in truth is a false, non-existent god or idol.

Second: The Jesus Christ of Mormonism is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible.

The Mormon Jesus is the son of this man-god. The Mormon Jesus is the brother of Lucifer, and according to LDS teaching, he married several of the Marys of the New Testament. He is not, to the LDS church, "God incarnate" as the Bible plainly states. Clearly, the Mormon god and Jesus are not the true.

God and Jesus of the Bible

Orson Hyde, the Mormon Apostle said, "We say it was Jesus Christ who was married in the marriage of Cana of Galilee" (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, page 80).

Brigham Young, said, "When the Virgin Mary conceived the Child Jesus ... He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost. And who is His father? He is the first of the human family" (Journal of Discourses, pages 50-51).

Compare this with the Word of God, "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God" (Luke 1:35).

Mormons teach that Jesus Christ suffered for sin in the Garden of Gethsemane when He sweat "as it were" great drops of blood. Mormons totally avoid the Biblical teaching of Christ's atonement for sin which was accomplished on the Cross.

Note the following quote from, "What Mormons Think of Christ" (LDS publication, pages 32-34):

"Christians speak often of the blood of Christ and its cleansing power. Much is believed and taught on this subject, however, it is utter nonsense and so palpably false that to believe it is to lose one's salvation."

It goes further to say that salvation is "conditional on faith, and repentance, and baptism and keeping the commands of God."

I would like to add, yes, it is very true that Christians do speak much of the blood of Christ. Note the emphasis the Bible places on the blood of Christ:

"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin" (1 John 1:7).

"How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?" (Hebrew 9:14).

"And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood" (Revelations 1:5).

The ejection of this Biblical truth by the LDS church shows again it is not a Christian church.

Note that in the following verses the Bible says salvation, which is forgiveness of sin and receiving of eternal life, is a gift of God, and it is not obtained by "works":

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9).

"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" (Romans 4:5).

I am aware that the L.D.S church has several definitions of salvation and several degrees of glory. A good discussion of the problem is found on the Internet at http:CastYourNet.com/LDS-Shock.

The real Jesus Christ is the "only begotten of the Father." He is not one of many sons and certainly not the brother of Satan as the following Scriptures clearly state:

John 1:18, "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

John 3:18, "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Hebrews 1:5, "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?"

1 John 4:9, "In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him."

Jesus Christ of the Bible is God Incarnate in Man

John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

John 10:30 "I and my Father are one." Jesus claimed to be one with the Father.

In John 14:9, Jesus said to see him is to see the Father.

In John 8:25, 56-59, 18:6,8 Jesus used the Jehovistic "I AM," identifying Himself as God.

In Matthew 22:42-45, Jesus claimed to be the Old Testament "Adonai."

In Mark 2:5-7, Jesus forgave sin, a prerogative belonging only to God.

In Matthew 14:33; 28:9; and John 20:28-29, Jesus asserted Himself as God by allowing men to worship Him.

John 1:3 states that Jesus is the Creator, and Genesis 1:1 states that God was the Creator.

Only those who believe in the real Biblical God and Jesus Christ have the right to use the name "Christian." The Mormon prophets historically have openly ridiculed those who believe in the God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit that the Bible reveals.

One question that I would ask all Mormons is this: "If I accept you as a Christian, will you accept me as a Mormon?" Would you accept me as a Mormon if I reject Joseph Smith and all the LDS prophets as being prophets of God. If I do not believe in the Book of Mormon or the LDS Scriptures, baptisms for the dead, the temple endowments, the LDS gospel, would you accept me as a Mormon? The answer is obviously, you would not. In like manner, when Mormonism denies the Bible and every Christian doctrine do you think that Biblical Christians should accept Mormons as Christians? Again the answer is very obvious, no we will not. You cannot legitimately claim to be Christians when you refuse to accept what the Bible teaches and what a true Christian believes.

I would implore Mormons to honestly and openly examine their teachings about God and Jesus Christ and examine who the Bible defines as being a Christian. There is no benefit in calling yourself a "Christian" when Biblically you are not.

Because we love the souls of men and want to see them, too, spend eternity in Heaven with our Savior, we strongly object to anyone proclaiming to the world a false Jesus Christ. We do not want to see anyone miss having their sins forgiven and receiving eternal life, because they were deceived.

Jesus said that He alone was the truth, the way and the life.

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" (John 14:6).

Belief in the real Jesus Christ is the only way a man can receive forgiveness of sin and eternal life. The LDS, church in presenting a false Christ is, in fact, leading souls away from salvation and the real Jesus. They reject God's truth and substitute another Jesus who does not exist and cannot save. Only those who believe in the Biblical Jesus Christ will go to heaven when they die. Those who put their trust in a false Christ will be eternally lost. Every true Child of God knows this, and that is why we try so hard to point men away from false churches, prophets, gods and Christs, that they may find God's true Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, and be saved.

Let God speak for Himself by His Word.

Matt. 24:24, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

"Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 14:10-12). [B][/B]

You probably wouldn't get any financial assistance if you smoked pot but didn't try to stop. Usually for continual assistance (not a one-time thing) you have to demonstrate that you are at least trying to live in accordance with the teachings in the church.

The members are expected to pay tithing (10% of their income) to the church and in addition to donate money to the poor during the monthly fast (called a Fast Offering). Tithing goes to run the church (buildings, humanitarian aid, church programs, etc) and the fast offering goes to help the poor (or anyone who needs assistance).

Get this: it has been church doctrine since Brigham Young in the 1850's that each family have at least a year's supply of food, and other "needful things." Of course no one has flat out said when and why but it has been understood that at sometime conditions will be so bad that there won't be any food. This is something up to each family to do. I would guess that during a natural disaster (or other disaster) that members would be generous but I don't thin they's be so generous that they'd put their own family at risk by giving away too much food. But in localized disasters in recent history, members from out side the affected areas have shown up and volunteered to help everyone, regardless of church affilitation.

I don't follow organized religion anymore, once did though to the LETTER. LOL

As far as Mormons go I don't really care to bash them. I did a joke about Joseph Smith and his "Captain Crunch" decoder, but it was just my sense of humor.

I know that Prof. Jones is a Mormon though. He seems like a true "godly "person, whatever that means. He has a "light" about him that is rare, I notice these things. He is the type of person that I would say is an example of a true "Christian" if I had to pick one.

Which is the opposite of most of the so called "Christian" mouthpieces I see on a daily basis out in the streets, online, and in the media. They truly disgust me.