This is the type of garbage that government agents do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fH7c8H6SNw

Go to 5:36. Some of you may have seen that video elsewhere, where the audio has been faked. The audio from the above clip is real. The audio from the following clip is fake:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5178346277662225049

Government agents want people to use info such as the audio in the previous clip in order to make their assertions that bombs went off. I was always very, very dubious of the above clip (especially because the collapse is so quiet compared to the guy saying "oh my god" when the cameraman is running), and then I found the first clip, which has much more realistic audio.

Well, the so called fake audio was on the Discovery Channel, BBC, RTL, and France 2 television. Look up Dangerous Films, the company that produced the documentary "Inside The twin Towers" where the clip is from. I already researched this one and don't know which audio to believe is authentic anymore. If it's disinfo agents that produced the audio, it's the Dangerous Films Company. I sent them an email to ask if the audio was authentic months ago but recieved no reply. http://www.dangerous.co.uk/
I'd like to add also, the guy screaming "Oh My God" appears in other documentaries, see CBC's "The Secret History of 9/11".

If it were able to pick up that "oh my god", then the collapse would've peaked the microphone so bad you wouldn't be able to hear anything distinct like the explosions in the second clip.

I've never seen the movie/documentary you're referring to, but I can't imagine that the audio on the second clip is real. I just messed with my sound card's equalizer... killing off the high frequencies... and I cannot get anything near the audio of the second clip... and of course, there is no "oh my god"

I see that Google clip is the French dubbed version. Here it is without the French voiceover at the end, "Mon dieu" translation for 'Oh My God" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS8Wf0mtP4w

In the fake one you can't hear people running and screaming up to a certain moment, while you should be able to.

I've seen no proof yet of which audio is authentic. What was the source for the first clip? I've been looking for information on it it all night now. I cited the source for the second clip. Anyone? You can't just claim something is fake without having cited either source.

I'd rather not get into what's wrong with the second clip, cause showing what's wrong with the audio would enable people to make better fakes... but I do have experience with mics... and I would be SHOCKED if it were the real audio.

What the hell, I've already said it anyways...

the camera will have a built-in or shotgun microphone, so it should the collapse should be loud on the recording

the collapse did not over-oscillate the mic (if it had, the audio of the collapse would be even more harsh on the ears than it already would be. Instead, it sounds smooth as can be... like a firework going off a mile away.)

nobody yelled anything until very late

the level of the very unenthusiastic yell compared to the collapse, which did not over-oscillate the microphone. if the mic's sensitivity was turned down that low, it would not be able to pick up a rather faint "oh my god" so well

doesn't even sound like a collapse... no high frequencies whatsoever

there is almost no sound whatsoever from 10-14 seconds


It's a horrible fake, really.

I guess we leave it open for debate, because I am certainly not an audio expert. I just know we have 2 apparently conflicting documentarys.

The 'Inside the Twin Towers' documentary can be found here:
http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=In...the+twin+towers

ETA: The specific scene is at 4:34 in part 8 here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLsdc6A68y0...related&search=

I'm also looking for a source for the first clip, haven't found it yet.

This sources the clip as from UK channel 5 (which, helpfully, I can't get).

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...earch&plindex=1

So I'll carry on looking and see if I can find the channel 5 thing it's meant to be from.

Has anyone got a copy of a "Tale of two towers"? That seems to be a documentary shown on channel 5, and could be the source.

There's lots of fake stuff in there... reenactments, I mean. It would seem as if they edited the audio so that it would fit into their documentary better. Seems like a stupid thing to do, but it appears to me that's what they did...

Yeah, it's a reconstruction spliced with footage from the day to show something of what it must have been like inside the buildings. I suppose it's possible they edited it, but if this footage does turn up in earlier documentaries then this might be the correct audio, and the other edited at some point.

I'd like to find the first link in some sort of context - so far I've had no real luck.

Wonder what date it aired...

::smacks herself round the head::

It helps if I search for channel 'five' rather than 5. In 2002 they showed '9/11: The Firefighters story.' Still looking.

There's also '9/11 - Out of the Blue', 2006.
http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=%2...+of+the+blue%22

ETA: Not in 'Out of the Blue.'

2002

Hmmm... looks like 2006 for "Inside the Twin Towers":

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808138/

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:iuT1z...lient=firefox-a

http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/twint...k=netmain_feat1

Sorry, 'A tale of Twin Towers', aired in 2002.

ETA: Can't find that documentary or the other online, so I can't check if either of them could be source of the other clip.

I've watched "Inside the Towers" before, but I'm watching it again.

The narrator said, "The stairwells were not designed to move thousands of people out of the building quickly."

What rubbish. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE DESIGNED TO DO.

Sort of.

"High-rises have been built assuming that the entire building wouldn't need to be evacuated at once. Instead, during a fire on one floor, occupants evacuate to adjacent floors until it is safe to return."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa39...01/ai_n17170740

I don't think they were designed for rapid full evacuation with full occupancy. It depends what is meant by 'quickly' I suppose.

The codes have requirements that require reasonable evacuation times. The only levels that the WTC buildings did not meet these requirements were on the top 2 floors...

They also harped about how the stairwells were not continuous. THAT'S A FEATURE! It's so that air, smoke, etc will not travel up and down the entire height of the building...

These guys are turning features into problems and creating problems where there are none... whole bunch of doom & gloom... and their 3d model of the impact damage is ridiculous... :mad:

That's the point - what's rapid? What might work for a normal skyscraper fire might not be adequate for a major disaster. There are codes, sure, but that doesn't mean they're adequate in every given situation.

If the WTC had been at full occupancy it would have taken over 3 hours to evacuate. Given the number of people we're talking about here, that doesn't seem exactly slow. But it is if you've only got an hour before the building collapses. The codes seem to have been designed to evacuate a proportion of the occupancy of a skyscraper quickly - not everyone.

Everybody knows that it wasn't at full occupancy. The documentary is clearly exaggerating the situation.

The real problem is that somebody had locked many of the doors that allowed people in and out of the stairwells. Of course, they don't want to dwell on that... it might make somebody look bad... or guilty. Anything but that... blame it on the building... blame it on the building. Fireproofing fell off... stairwells were too small... trusses were too weak... impact took out the central core... could not stand up to the fire... corners were cut during its construction... all lies.

I spent much time looking for the documentary source information yesterday. I'm back again to look more. I obtained "A Tale Of Two Towers" from winmx p2p while I was asleep, and it is not in there. If you'd like to obtain the free version winmx software, and find it yourself to verify go here http://www.winmxgroup.com/ Also I learned that UK Channel 5 removed the #5 from their channel in 2002.

The fraudulent video with the added on demolitions sounds has also had the video cropped to hide the demolition sequence scene here http://www.metacafe.com/watch/735756/911_p...uence_revealed/
in the original clip.

Nice, they crop the demolitions chrages and add a bad soundtrack of demolitions sounding explosions knowing full well that 911 truthers would eat that up as they watch laughing as 'truthers' all argue wether or not it is real.... old technique. Note, the discovery version is fraudulent.

Have you found proof of which is authentic, what is the source video for your clip? What documentary was that EXACTLY? Dangerous Films Inc. Apparently added the sounds if anyone.

Edit: The reaired Discovery Channel clip was only just barely cropped, you can still see the same detail. Also, a Psy-op placed in a documentary for 9/11 Truthers to "eat up" is very possible. I never actually claimed to know the answer to this question, but facts and sources are important to 9/11 research. You did do a good job on the video though, nice work.

The clip without the explosions comes from Channel 5 Firefighters Story, there are 2 versions with explosions from Discovery Channel & an Australian 9/11 Anniversary programme shown on 11 Sept 2006, I've never seen the version with the explosions shown on television yet, I won't be convinced it's real until I see it on television for myself.

Rick Siegel also posted the collapse clip with the alternative audio track

http://www.ricksiegel.com/web/index.php?na...article&sid=119