Title: 'at 5:20 Pm Nypd Officers Walked Toward Wtc 7'
DoYouEverWonder - June 15, 2007 11:26 PM (GMT)
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Downtown Express
September 14, 2001
A police line at Beach and Greenwich Sts. prevented anyone from going further south. People watched as fire trucks and squad cars, many with the windows blown out and covered in soot, passed by. Ambulances lined up at the site, which was later set up as a triage center. They all watched helplessly as they awaited the certain collapse of 7 World Trade Center, at 47 stories, the third building to fall.
At about 5:20 p.m. Tuesday, a mass of N.Y.P.D. officers, dressed in what looked like full riot gear walked toward 7 World Trade Center, sober-faced as bystanders clapped gingerly for them. Moments later, the building fell. It turned out they had been waiting for hours, holding off the rescue effort in anticipation of the collapse.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=...&dept_id=112709 |
Who were these guys going toward WTC 7, in full riot gear right before it fell? What was their purpose? Why were they allowed into the area, when everyone else was being held back?
thehighwaymanq - June 17, 2007 03:07 AM (GMT)
Hmm......... :blink: Riot gear? Why riot gear. this wasn't a rock concert. Regular people don't enjoy going into burning buildings on such a day. That doesnt make sense, and why were they going into the building? That is interesting.
Pondering it now.....
Repentless - June 17, 2007 11:48 PM (GMT)
Apparently the riot gear was to HOLD BACK RESCUERS IN ANTICIPATION OF THE COLLAPSE. Why would they want to hold back rescuers, and do it for several hours at that? It would seem to me that if you knew the building would collapse in a few hours, you would be encouraging rescue efforts to get people out in time.
Messed up -.-
e^n - June 17, 2007 11:55 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Repentless @ Jun 17 2007, 06:48 PM) |
| Apparently the riot gear was to HOLD BACK RESCUERS IN ANTICIPATION OF THE COLLAPSE. Why would they want to hold back rescuers, and do it for several hours at that? It would seem to me that if you knew the building would collapse in a few hours, you would be encouraging rescue efforts to get people out in time. |
What's your source for this? The firefighters pulled back without any ordering from NYPD and I can't find any reports of NYPD officers preventing firefighters from rescuing anyone.
DoYouEverWonder - June 20, 2007 03:32 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (e^n @ Jun 17 2007, 06:55 PM) |
| QUOTE (Repentless @ Jun 17 2007, 06:48 PM) | | Apparently the riot gear was to HOLD BACK RESCUERS IN ANTICIPATION OF THE COLLAPSE. Why would they want to hold back rescuers, and do it for several hours at that? It would seem to me that if you knew the building would collapse in a few hours, you would be encouraging rescue efforts to get people out in time. |
What's your source for this? The firefighters pulled back without any ordering from NYPD and I can't find any reports of NYPD officers preventing firefighters from rescuing anyone.
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It says so in the article I posted, "It turned out they had been waiting for hours, holding off the rescue effort in anticipation of the collapse."
Taillow - June 20, 2007 03:57 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Jun 19 2007, 10:32 PM) |
| It says so in the article I posted, "It turned out they had been waiting for hours, holding off the rescue effort in anticipation of the collapse." |
But that doesn't say they were being prevented from doing anything, it just says that they were staying away.
kupci - June 22, 2007 02:31 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (e^n @ Jun 17 2007, 06:55 PM) |
| What's your source for this? The firefighters pulled back without any ordering from NYPD and I can't find any reports of NYPD officers preventing firefighters from rescuing anyone. |
Sources? Obviously you haven't tried very hard.
How about the firefighters themselves? Surely you can't be ignorant of the fact that rather than Giuliani holding hands with the firefighters, as Faux News would have you believe, there's actually some bad blood - with very good reason:
http://firefightingnews.com/article-US.cfm?articleID=27125| QUOTE |
Regrettably, the situation with former Mayor Giuliani is very different. His actions post 9/11 rise to such an offensive and personal attack on our brother and sisterhood — and directly on our union — that the IAFF does not feel Rudy Giuliani deserves an audience of IAFF leaders and members at our own Presidential Forum.
The disrespect that he exhibited to our 343 fallen FDNY brothers, their families and our New York City IAFF leadership in the wake of that tragic day has not been forgiven or forgotten.
In November 2001, our members were continuing the painful, but necessary, task of searching Ground Zero for the remains of our fallen brothers and the thousands of innocent citizens that were killed, because precious few of those who died in the terrorist attacks had been recovered at that point.
Prior to November 2001, 101 bodies or remains of fire fighters had been recovered. And those on the horrible pile at Ground Zero believed they had just found a spot in the rubble where they would find countless more that could be given proper burial.
Nevertheless, Giuliani, with the full support of his Fire Commissioner Thomas Von Essen, decided on November 2, 2001, to sharply reduce the number of those who could search for remains at any one time. There had been as many as 300 fire fighters at a time involved in search and recovery, but Giuliani cut that number to no more than 25 who could be there at once. |
Now the question for you to ponder is - why would Giuliani do that? Why would the NYPD lock down an area - where firefighters had every right to be?
kupci - June 22, 2007 02:52 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Jun 15 2007, 06:26 PM) |
| Who were these guys going toward WTC 7, in full riot gear right before it fell? What was their purpose? Why were they allowed into the area, when everyone else was being held back? |
Interesting - shows the "lock down" started almost immediately. The following quote is also interesting - volunteers (firefighters, medical, etc) forced to work on the perimiter.
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| Volunteers from across the country have turned out to help in the effort, many driving several hundred miles to get here. But while many have been eager to dig through the wreckage in search of survivors, the enormity of the task and the continuing threat of more collapsing buildings has meant many have had to volunteer on the perimeter, directing traffic and other responsibilities. |
Giuliani is also hated for his
scoop-and-dump decision:
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| The fact is that the Mayor's switch to a scoop-and-dump coincided with the final removal of tens of millions of dollars of gold, silver and other assets of the Bank of Nova Scotia that were buried beneath what was once the towers. Once the money was out, Giuliani sided with the developers that opposed a lengthy recovery effort, and ordered the scoop-and-dump operation so they could proceed with redevelopment. |
Ah, the gold - that's what this is all about? (The firefighters are sticking with the original figure - the $300 million estimate, which Bank of Nova Scotia had *alone* - but there were 2 levels, 3000sq ft each. $1 Billion is a more accurate estimate).
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/gold.html SPreston - June 27, 2007 01:24 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Jun 15 2007, 07:26 PM) |
| QUOTE | Downtown Express
September 14, 2001
A police line at Beach and Greenwich Sts. prevented anyone from going further south. People watched as fire trucks and squad cars, many with the windows blown out and covered in soot, passed by. Ambulances lined up at the site, which was later set up as a triage center. They all watched helplessly as they awaited the certain collapse of 7 World Trade Center, at 47 stories, the third building to fall.
At about 5:20 p.m. Tuesday, a mass of N.Y.P.D. officers, dressed in what looked like full riot gear walked toward 7 World Trade Center, sober-faced as bystanders clapped gingerly for them. Moments later, the building fell. It turned out they had been waiting for hours, holding off the rescue effort in anticipation of the collapse.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=...&dept_id=112709 |
Who were these guys going toward WTC 7, in full riot gear right before it fell? What was their purpose? Why were they allowed into the area, when everyone else was being held back?
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It says right in the article you posted that they were going in to prevent looting. Maybe these policemen are just lucky they did not get inside WTC7 when the demolition charges were blown. They would have been dead too. Maybe a few looters were crushed beneath the rubble pile.
DoYouEverWonder - July 3, 2007 10:31 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (SPreston @ Jun 27 2007, 08:24 AM) |
| QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Jun 15 2007, 07:26 PM) | | QUOTE | Downtown Express
September 14, 2001
A police line at Beach and Greenwich Sts. prevented anyone from going further south. People watched as fire trucks and squad cars, many with the windows blown out and covered in soot, passed by. Ambulances lined up at the site, which was later set up as a triage center. They all watched helplessly as they awaited the certain collapse of 7 World Trade Center, at 47 stories, the third building to fall.
At about 5:20 p.m. Tuesday, a mass of N.Y.P.D. officers, dressed in what looked like full riot gear walked toward 7 World Trade Center, sober-faced as bystanders clapped gingerly for them. Moments later, the building fell. It turned out they had been waiting for hours, holding off the rescue effort in anticipation of the collapse.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=...&dept_id=112709 |
Who were these guys going toward WTC 7, in full riot gear right before it fell? What was their purpose? Why were they allowed into the area, when everyone else was being held back?
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It says right in the article you posted that they were going in to prevent looting. Maybe these policemen are just lucky they did not get inside WTC7 when the demolition charges were blown. They would have been dead too. Maybe a few looters were crushed beneath the rubble pile.
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Please post the quote you are referring to because I reread the article and it says nothing about the police in riot gear going in to prevent looting or anything else about what they were 'going in' for.
At the end of the article it mentions a couple of incidents but this had nothing to do with the above mentioned police and/or WTC 7.
SPreston - July 3, 2007 07:06 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Jul 3 2007, 06:31 AM) |
| QUOTE (SPreston @ Jun 27 2007, 08:24 AM) | | QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Jun 15 2007, 07:26 PM) | | QUOTE | Downtown Express
September 14, 2001
A police line at Beach and Greenwich Sts. prevented anyone from going further south. People watched as fire trucks and squad cars, many with the windows blown out and covered in soot, passed by. Ambulances lined up at the site, which was later set up as a triage center. They all watched helplessly as they awaited the certain collapse of 7 World Trade Center, at 47 stories, the third building to fall.
At about 5:20 p.m. Tuesday, a mass of N.Y.P.D. officers, dressed in what looked like full riot gear walked toward 7 World Trade Center, sober-faced as bystanders clapped gingerly for them. Moments later, the building fell. It turned out they had been waiting for hours, holding off the rescue effort in anticipation of the collapse.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=...&dept_id=112709 |
Who were these guys going toward WTC 7, in full riot gear right before it fell? What was their purpose? Why were they allowed into the area, when everyone else was being held back?
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It says right in the article you posted that they were going in to prevent looting. Maybe these policemen are just lucky they did not get inside WTC7 when the demolition charges were blown. They would have been dead too. Maybe a few looters were crushed beneath the rubble pile.
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Please post the quote you are referring to because I reread the article and it says nothing about the police in riot gear going in to prevent looting or anything else about what they were 'going in' for.
At the end of the article it mentions a couple of incidents but this had nothing to do with the above mentioned police and/or WTC 7.
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At about 5:20 p.m. Tuesday, a mass of N.Y.P.D. officers, dressed in what looked like full riot gear walked toward 7 World Trade Center, sober-faced as bystanders clapped gingerly for them. Moments later, the building fell. It turned out they had been waiting for hours, holding off the rescue effort in anticipation of the collapse.
An N.Y.P.D. officer working with the rescue effort Wednesday said they had spotted people entering the wreckage, they believe, to take money and merchandise from businesses buried beneath the centers. A man dressed as a doctor was reportedly arrested after he was caught stealing items from bodies pulled from the wreckage, according to one source. . |
An assumption on my part to be sure, but looters are mentioned at the bottom of the article and police often put on riot gear to handle looters.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=...&dept_id=112709