I've just been challenged on a "your a conspiracy nut, show me the evidence" case, if you will. This time its the OKC bombings. I can think of tons of stuff off the top of my head, but I would like proff and hard fact. Ive found some stuff online already, but want to know of ant hidden gems out there. Ive watched "911, the road to tyranny", which is great and showed alot about it. Thanks.

Paul

Show them this 5 min. clip and tell em to STFU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWwrEEP8EBk

thanks, can't stream it right now, stupid internet.

well, tell me about the second bomber. Tell me why the bomb squad was in full gear already. Tell me why the government still insists it was ONE explosion. tell me why the truck bomb hole got bigger and bigger. show me the survalence videos. Oh, and what did Clinton fail ot pass the year before, but then got it passed in 96? hmmmm.

thought so

There's a good video documentary on googlevideo, I cannot remember the name but it was quite old. It was a VHS rip from the 90s.
AFAIK the major point agains the official version, watch the video for a complete documentation:
- inconsistent damage to the building (a vertical damage), lot of (demolition) experts told it was impossible with a single truck bomb
- witness of multiple explosion (deja vu?)
- suspicious seismical data explained with unscientific methods (echoes or something, I don't remember)
- suspicious and inconsistent camera videos of Timoty McVeigh
- FBI literally jumped over the screaming wounded to cover or find something at ground zero
- there was also a discussion about a picture showing the same truck in a military base, I don't remember much but it was never collected as a proof.

what was past in 96 not 95?

This thread is a good place to start. I would recommend reading all the replies in the thread.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/794420/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/733759/posts
FBI and DOJ Connivance Permeates, Interconnects Terror Attacks

More information in this article and in the replies in the thread.

First OKCPD Officer in Murrah Building Murdered, Throat Cut, Body Dragged with Rope
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=47354

Anyone interested in the truth about the OKC Bombing must listen to the interview with Tonia Yeakey linked in the thread above.

Anti-terroist act of 96. Then he put the ban on assult weapons, that ended two summers ago, I believe. Bill Clinton......ha

Thanks for the replies guys, lots of interesting stuff and I'll check out that interview.

At least 12 surveillance cameras caught the attack. That was almost 12 years ago. Not one has ever been shown to the American public. Ever see a plane hit the WTC?

The following is a transcript of a telephone conversation between a local rescue worker and survivor of the bombing(W) and Congressman Ernest Istook of Oklahoma City "C". According to the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Final Report, the actual tape recording will be given to Congressional investigators in the event they choose to investigate the Oklahoma City Bombing.

TRANSCRIPT OF CALL

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“C:” is the man calling the eyewitness, “W:”

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C: ---- which would allow McVeigh to get away, and then arrest him later on. I don’t think they expected the truck to blow up.

I believed, and I’ve believed this for a long time --- I believe that number two, John Doe #2 , was a Federal agent working undercover. And I believe that he helped McVeigh steal the goods and helped buy the equipment, and I believe that he helped McVeigh make the bomb, and I believe his whole task in this whole thing, his only real task was to render the device safe so that the Federal agents could pretend to remove it and move in. They did not want to move in until he was cleared of the scene so that they wouldn’t tip their hands. See what I’m saying?

And the odds are pretty good the whole reason behind that is because they were after someone bigger than McVeigh which means they probably think he was linked to somebody in the militia movement or something like that.

So I think what you’re saying. You know I understand what you’re saying. But I don’t think you see the big picture. I don’t think that you know

I’d only divulge a look at the big picture if that’s the actual scenario. If that’s the actual scenario, which I believe it to be, I think there really is no claim that the agent, that was John Doe #2, did not render the bomb safe. Which he very well may have rendered the bomb safe, and then McVeigh may have put in a second fail-safe which he didn’t know about. Which is probably what’s happened.

Because if they knew the truck was loaded with bombs, and they’d go off, they would have evacuated the building. The only reason they wouldn’t have, was if they had prior knowledge that the bombs were rendered safe. Which is probably the situation here.

W: Uh. Okay

C: I would bet money on that’s, in fact, the way this whole thing came down. Yes they stood out in front of the building. Yes, they followed him directly to the building. Yes, they watched him get out of the building, get out of the truck . Yes, they watched him drive off. That’s not --- that was their plan. I don’t believe they ever planned to apprehend him anywhere near the building.

I believe that John Doe #2 was a Federal witness. His job was to render the device safe. Therefore, the only thing sitting out in front of that building was a bomb, a truck loaded with a bomb that would not go off. And I think that’s the situation. In fact I know it is.

W: Okay. So why didn’t they just come out and explain that to everybody?

C: Public does not have to know that. When it comes to the national security and things like this, the public does not know, the public is not required to know.

First of all, by doing that, they wouldn’t have, uh, put their witness, which is the Federal agent John Doe #2, they would have blown his cover, first of all. Which possibly he’s involved in something right now that you have no idea about.

You know there very well may have been numerous plots involving numerous buildings. See what I’m saying? You don’t have the whole picture, without full knowledge, and what you do may cost them their lives. You should be very aware

W: Okay. Well, that’s what I’ve being trying to be very careful of. I don’t want to see anyone else get hurt. At the same time

C: Well, if that guy’s cover’s been blown, he’s dead already.

W: Do you think so?

C: Sure. I’m sure. Once you have gone up to this point, it has gotten out, which I’m sure it has, because there are moles every where . The chances are good that he’s been terminated already and this whole thing has blown up in their face. I don’t believe that, out of an act of negligence, these highly trained professionals would have allowed that man to leave that truck out in front of that building with it’s live bomb in it.

W: No, no, no. It stood out there for the whole time, from the time it pulled up until that went off.

C: That’s what I’m saying. They would not have allowed it. The only reason they allowed that truck to sit there so long, is because in my opinion they were under the impression that that bomb was rendered safe. And I’d say that there was no rush, there was no reason to evacuate the building. There was no rush to make an arrest. The truck was just going to sit out there until they went and towed it off.

So I don’t think they thought it was an emergency and I think either that John Doe #2 made a mistake in rendering the bomb safe, or McVeigh was smart enough to plant a second fail-safe, which most bomb makers do.

W: Do you think that’s why they didn’t tell anybody?

C: No

W: Well

C: Exactly, the bomb was safe as far as they knew.

W: Okay. Well, that explains why there was so many of them there so fast.

C: Exactly. They followed him to the building, their agent was in the truck with him when they followed him to the building, every thing was under control, so far as they thought. As far as they thought, all they had was the man who built the bomb that was going to go off, because the agent rendered it safe. And their whole thing was not a problem. Let him drive his truck right in front of his target, allowed him to drive off.

Once he drives off, he renders the truck safe . And then we can have the chauffeur arrested on the interstate for bogus charges, which they did. And this was all planned out one hundred percent. I, I don’t believe they allowed that truck

W: You don’t think they intentionally let the bomb go off ?

C: No, that’s right. I’ll never believe that.

W: Well, I mean, that’s the only thing about this that I found so hard to believe.

C: They, they thought the bomb was safe. They thought their agent, who was in the truck and who helped prepare the bomb, would set it so it would not go off. Now, whether McVeigh went back to the truck, where the agent did not know, and put a second fail safe? The agent made a mistake and did not actually render the bomb safe like he was supposed to. That’s what’s going on here.

W: Well, see, that’s it then. I wanted someone that would be able to tell us for a fact if this was like, deliberate or not. You know what I’m saying?

C: I’m not going to tell you that. Let me tell you something. I’m sure they had --- everything was under surveillance, under surveillance there. So I’m sure they do have audio tapes of them saying, Let them go, let them go. Wait, wait, there was no rush in their mind. In their mind, there was no rush to get that truck away from that building. Because that building, that bomb, was not supposed to go off.

Therefore, every thing they did fits, if you think about it. They followed it, they allowed it to drive up there knowing that there was a bomb in the truck. Their idea was to let John Doe #2, the Federal agent --- And they would be able to use him in further investigations of these bombings, of these groups that are in militia groups. And this was a perfect entry in, because he could have went through there.

After McVeigh was arrested, John Doe #2 would have become a hero to the cause of the militias. And the militias would have taken him in and hid him, which would have made him part of the infrastructure of the militias. Which is what their goal was for this whole thing, was to bust the militias.

If you take the big picture, and look at the big picture, there were very few mistakes made on this sting operation. With the exception that John Doe #2, the Federal agent, did not render the bomb safe. Just think of it this way, (name of W: spoken)

W: I’ve always been a big fan of the United States and that, but then I’ve always been --- this was the one thing that bothered me.

C: They didn’t let this building fall intentionally. Their opinion was that this bomb was rendered safe and this bomb would not go off. And their whole thing on this thing, if you think about it, makes sense from a tactical standpoint. You would follow the truck to the building. You allow your lead suspect to get away clean. Okay? Then you set up a deal where you take the truck away from the building because it didn’t blow up because it’s not supposed to.

You take John Doe #2. He gets away, which is your Federal agent. John Doe #1, McVeigh is arrested on a bogus charge and then later proven that he’s the one who planted the bomb that did not go off.

W: But you honestly don’t think that they really intended

C: Not at all. Not at all. They would not have . No.

W: Okay. Well see that was the only thing. Because, see I’d heard from the very beginning that they intended for the building to blow up.

C: These are dedicated professionals. I don’t believe that.

W: Oh well, see, all I’ve been wanting to hear is just someone to tell me that was an accident.

C: Basically, what happened is, this was a mistake. Someone screwed up and the only one that screwed --- the agents on the scene. They didn’t screw up. They did exactly what their orders were. Wait, allow the suspect to leave the scene. Once the suspect has left the scene, then render the truck safe., which is already safe. All they have to do is get in, give a hot-wire, and drive it off to a safe location and then open up the back and disarm the bomb, which was supposedly rendered safe to begin with. Okay?

W: Yeah, okay.

C: And then from there they charge in. See the plan? They allow John Doe #2 --- This plan was put in motion before the bomb ever went off. Their intent was to allow McVeigh to be arrested later on. John Doe #2 to get away. And then John Doe#2 --- the Federal government would have released a sketch or picture. And then, that man would have had to go underground and hide.

Where would he hide? He would have hid with the militias. The militias would take him in as a hero. The militias would give him hero status in the militia movement, which would allow him to be privy to information that the government could use later on.

W: Yeah, and it also could keep other people from being blown up, too.

C: That’s exactly correct.

W: That makes a lot more sense than anything I’ve ever heard.

C: I mean, if you think about it all --- and I know how these agents in these types of scenarios

W: But I hope you understand why, you know, well, because someone explain to me what had happened, you know, and I just couldn’t help but feel like, you know, that --- because I heard from these radical groups that they let the building blow up.

C: No. They did not want that building to blow up. I guarantee you this, their whole intent was that that bomb was rendered safe before it was ever parked in front of that ---- first available emergency --- otherwise, they would have quietly

W: Got everybody out of the building?

C: Got everybody out of the building, before the bomb ever being pulled up in front of the building. There was no reason for them to do that, because according to their plan, the bomb was safe now. There was no reason to evacuate the building and the panic --- because there was a truck loaded with a bomb that was not going to blow up.

W: Yeah, because it was just ammonium nitrate, right? And we have ammonium nitrate all over town.

C: Exactly. And their whole thing was John Doe #2, who helped him to build this bomb, was a Federal witness, a Federal agent. In his job, I’m sure he is a trained explosives expert. His job was to render the device safe. But something happened and there was a mistake made. Either he did not --- Either he thought he had rendered it safe and he did not, or he rendered it safe and later on after it was rendered safe, McVeigh went back to the truck and set a second time. Which is probably what’s happened.

W: Okay.

C: See what I’m saying? And John Doe #2

W: Why didn’t you talk to me about this a long time ago?

C: Well, I didn’t know that you’d be able to get this far with it. By going this far with it --- Let me explain something to you. Your actions have consequences. There are a lot of witnesses, there are a lot of agents right now in the hills that are infiltrating these militia groups and

W: Uh, huh. I will shut up. I will put a stop to it.

C: All these people will get killed. Their blood will be on your hands. I understand that you want --- If I really thought that the government allowed the building to blow up, I would be with you one hundred per cent. But I know

W: Okay. I give you my word. I will drop it right now. If you believe that (a man’s first name is spoken) --- Okay. If you believe it, then I’ll drop it right now.

C: I’ll just say that I appreciate your saying that. And I believe that’s the truth. They were horrified when the bomb went off, really horrified.

W: Yeah, they all looked like they were in shock.

C: They figured as soon as McVeigh got free, as soon as he got --- drove off his car --- And I’ll tell you another thing they did --- big deal. They did his car. You know what they did?

W: What?

C: They stole his license plate off that car. You know why?

W: Why?

C: So that they’d have probable cause to stop him on the interstate.

W: Oh. Okay.

C: They stole his plate. Why do you think the plate was never found? His plate was stolen from the vehicle and the Federal government stole the plate from the vehicle. So that he would be arrested, John Do #2 would go free, they would put a sketch out that would make him like “America’s Most Wanted.”

The only place that a man that would be wanted by the government can hide would be to be hid by the militia groups inside their infrastructure.

But once he infiltrates the infrastructure, and he’s in --- All of a sudden he’s a hero. And right now you know, these groups probably believe that they have John Doe#2 and that they’re hiding him from the government and they’re doing the patriotic thing. And they believe that the building should have blown up.

So they’re holding him. Now this man’s privy to all kinds of information about future bombings, which we don’t even know about how many bombs they have stopped because of the agents

W: Okay.

C: How many lives have been saved because that agent’s now in the militia? And, if this comes to light

W: Okay. Okay, let me. I’ll tell you what. Let me, let me cancel the meeting for tomorrow. Okay. Let me do it right now, let me do it right now, while I think of it.

C: Is it awkward?

W: No, no, no, no. Listen, you’re the only one that’s sat down and talked to me that made any sense. Cause up until now, I, I , I

C: Does it not make perfect sense?

W: Yes, it does. But let me stop it right now.

C: It makes perfect sense to me.

W: Okay. Let me stop it right now.

C: If I was the one who made the command decisions on it, that’s exactly how I would have handled it.

W: Okay. Well, let me stop it right now. Okay? Bye

The FBI's top counterterrorism agent, Danny Coulson, checked into an Oklahoma City hotel nearly nine hours before a truck bomb nearly leveled the Alfred P. Murrah Building. Mr. Coulson is on the record as maintaining he was in another state at the time of the blast. Smoking guns are rare in this investigation, here's one.

Very interesting found. Do somebody knows if there's a decent book about the alternative theories behind the OKC bombing?

http://www.constitution.org/ocbpt/ocbpt.htm

The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror
by David Hoffman

is very good and it is online and free.

Also, I recommend The Third Terrorist by Jayna Davis

and Others Unknown, by Stephen Jones(McVeigh's Defense Attorney)

Letter from the first OKC police officer in the Murrah Building after the explosion
before his murder.


From Terry Yeakey:




Dear Ramona,
I hope that whatever you hear now and in the future will not change your opinions about myself or others with the Oklahoma City Police Department, although some of the things I am about to tell you about is [sic] very disturbing.

I don't know if you recall everything that happened that morning or not, so I am not sure if you know what I am referring to.

The man that you and I were talking about in the pictures I have, made the mistake of asking too many questions as to his role in the bombing, and was told to back off.

I was told by several officers he was a ATF agent who was overseeing the bombing plot and at the time the photos were taken he was calling in his report of what had just went down!

I think my days as a police officer are numbered because of the way my supervisors are acting and there is [sic] a lot of secrets floating around now about my mental state of mind. I think they are going to write me up because of my ex-wife and a VPO.

I told you about talking to Chaplain Poe, well the bastard wrote up in a report stating I should be relieved of my duties! I made the mistake of thinking that a person's conversation with a chaplain was private, which by the way might have cost me my job as a police officer! A friend at headquarters told me that Poe sent out letters to everyone in the department! That BITCH (Jo Ann Randall) I told you about is up to something and I think it has something to do with Poe. If she gets her way, they will tar and feather me!

I was told that Jack Poe has written up a report on every single officer that has been in to see him, including Gordon Martin and John Avery.

Knowing what I know now, and understanding fully just what went down that morning, makes me ashamed to wear a badge from Oklahoma City's Police Department. I took an oath to uphold the Law and to enforce the Law to the best of my ability. This is something I cannot honestly do and hold my head up proud any longer if I keep my silence as I am ordered to do.

There are several others out there who was [sic] what we saw and even some who played a role in what happened that day.

[Two Pages Missing]

My guess is the more time an officer has to think about the screw up the more he is going to question what happened... Can you imagine what would be coming down now if that had been our officers' who had let this happen? Because it was the feds that did this and not the locals, is the reason it's okay. You were right all along and I am truly sorry I doubted you and your motives about recording history. You should know that it is going to one-hell-of-a-fight.

Everyone was behind you until you started asking questions as I did, as to how so many federal agents arrived at the scene at the same time.

Luke Franey (a BATF agent who claimed he was in the building) was not in the building at the time of the blast, I know this for a fact, I saw him! I also saw full riot gear worn with rifles in hand, why? Don't make the mistake as I did and ask the wrong people.

I worry about you and your young family because of some of the statements that have been made towards me, a police officer! Whatever you do don't confront McPhearson with the bomb squad about what I told you. His actions and defensiveness towards the bombing would make any normal person think he was defending himself as if he drove the damn truck up to the building himself. I am not worried for myself, but for you and your group. I would not be afraid to say at this time that you and your family could be harmed if you get any closer to the truth. At this time I think for your well being it is best for you to distance yourself and others from those of us who have stirred up to many questions about the altering and falsifying of the federal investigation's reports.

I truly believe there are other officers like me out there who would not settle for anything but the truth, it is just a matter of finding them. The only true problem as I see it is, who do we turn to then?

It is vital that people like you, Edye Smith, and others keep asking questions and demanding answers for the actions of our federal government and law enforcement agencies that knew beforehand and participated in the cover-up.

The sad truth of the matter is that they have so many police officers convinced that by covering up the truth about the operation gone wrong, that they are actually doing our citizens a favor. What I want to know is how many other operations have they had that blew up in their faces? Makes you stop and take another look at Waco.

I would consider it to be an insult to my profession as a police officer and to the citizens of Oklahoma for ANY of the City, State or Federal agents that stood by and let this happen to be recognized as any thing other than their part in participation in letting this happen. For those who ran from the scene to change their attire to hide the fact that they were there, should be judged as cowards.

If our history books and records are ever truly corrected about that day it will show this and maybe even some lame excuse as to why it happened, but I truly don't believe it will from what I now know to be the truth.

Even if I tried to explain it to you the way it was explained to me, and the ridiculous reason for having [our] own police departments falsify reports to their fellow officers, to the citizens of the city and to our country, you would understand why I feel the way I do about all of this.

I believe that a lot of the problems the officers are having right now are because some of them know what really happened and can't deal with it, and others like myself made the mistake of trusting the one person we were supposed to be able to turn to (Chaplain Poe) only to be stabbed in the back.

I am sad to say that I believe my days as a police officer are numbered because of all of this....

The documents obtained by The Associated Press can be viewed at


http://wid.ap.org/documents/okc/okcdoc2.pdf

Click the link above to view a copy of the Secret Service document confirming a security camera recorded the explosion of the Ryder truck in front of
the Murrah Building and recorded an accomplice with McVeigh in the truck.

WASHINGTON - A Secret Service document written shortly after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing described security video footage of the attack and witness testimony that suggested Timothy McVeigh may have had accomplices at the scene. A Secret Service agent testified Monday that the log does, in fact, exist but that the government knows of no videotape. The log that the information was pulled from contained reports that were never verified.

Stacy A. Bauerschmidt, assistant to the special agent in charge of the agency's intelligence division, said the timeline was an internal log developed to help locate personnel lost in the bombing and determine if the agency was a specific target of the attack.

Reports may have been based on mere speculation and the agency does not vouch for it reliability, she said.

"It's for us. It's a crisis document," Bauerschmidt said during testimony at bombing conspirator Terry Nichols' murder trial in McAlester, Okla.

"Security video tapes from the area show the truck detonation 3 minutes and 6 seconds after the suspects exited the truck," the Secret Service reported six days after the attack on a log of agents' activities and evidence in the Oklahoma investigation.

The government has insisted McVeigh drove the truck himself and that it never had any video of the bombing or the scene of the Alfred P. Murrah building in the minutes before the April 19, 1995, explosion.

Several investigators and prosecutors who worked the case told The Associated Press they had never seen video footage like that described in the Secret Service log.

The document, if accurate, is either significant evidence kept secret for nine years or a misconstrued recounting of investigative leads that were often passed by word of mouth during the hectic early days of the case, they said.

"I did not see it," said Danny Defenbaugh, the retired FBI agent who ran the Oklahoma City probe. "If it shows what it says, then it would be significant."

Other documents obtained by AP show the Secret Service in late 1995 gave prosecutors several computer disks of enhanced digital photographs of the Murrah building, intelligence files on several subjects in the investigation and a file detailing an internal affairs inquiry concerning an agent who reconstructed key phone evidence against McVeigh.

"These abstract sheets are sensitive documents which we have protected from disclosure in the past," said a Secret Service letter that recounted discussions in late 1995 with federal prosecutors on what evidence would be turned over to defense lawyers.

Lawyers for Nichols say they have never been given the security video, photo disks or internal investigative file referenced in the documents.

The trial judge has threatened to dismiss the death penalty case if evidence was withheld. McVeigh was executed in 2001 on a separate federal conviction. Nichols was sentenced to life in prison on federal charges before being tried by the state this year.

The government has maintained for years that McVeigh parked the Ryder rental truck carrying a massive fertilizer bomb outside the Murrah building and left alone in a getaway car he parked around the corner. The bombing killed more than 160 people.

The only video prosecutors introduced at trial showed the Ryder truck without any visible passengers as it passed a security camera inside a high-rise apartment building a block away from the Murrah building.

But the Secret Service log reported on April 24 and April 25, 1995, that there was security footage showing the Ryder truck pulling up to the Murrah building. The log does not say where such video came from or who possessed it.

A log entry on April 25 states that the security footage allowed agents to determine the time that elapsed between suspects leaving the truck and the explosion.

An entry a day earlier on the same log reported that the security video was consistent with a witness' account that he saw McVeigh's getaway car in the lead before a woman guided the truck to its final parking spot in front of the Murrah building.

"A witness to the explosion named Grossman claimed to have seen a pale yellow Mercury car with a Ryder truck behind it pulling up to the federal building," the log said. The witness "further claimed to have seen a woman on the corner waving to the truck."

A Secret Service agent named McNally "noted that this fact is significant due to the fact that the security video shows the Ryder truck pulling up to the Federal Building and then pausing (7 to 10 seconds) before resuming into the slot in front of the building," the log said. "It is speculated that the woman was signaling the truck when a slot became available."

MANY MILITIA GROUPS SCALE BACK, DISTANCE THEMSELVES FROM MCVEIGH

06/14/1997

Washington Post Staff Writer, Richard Leiby
Page A8

"Other Web sites carry photos of a Ryder truck parked at a military installation in Oklahoma, where conspiracy-minded investigators contend the fertilizer bomb was assembled. The Oklahoma National Guard confirmed Friday that the aerial photos were indeed taken above Camp Gruber in the fall of 1994 and said the classified project involved weapons sensors and was overseen by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. The National Guard's statement said the truck 'had no association whatsoever with the tragedy at the Alfred P. Murrah Building."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/794088/posts

Pilot of Experimental Aircraft Killed in Crash
TULSA WORLD (FINAL HOME EDITION Edition), Page N8 of NEWS | 05/16/1995 | Ed Farrell



BRAGGS -- A Pryor man was killed Monday afternoon when a small experimental aircraft he was flying hit a power line and crashed at Camp Gruber.

Oklahoma National Guard Staff Sgt. Robert Louis Harding, 45, was pronounced dead at 5 p.m. Monday at St. John Medical Center in Tulsa, where he had been transported following the 12:30 p.m. crash.

Oklahoma Highway Patrol Lt. Gary Rogers said Harding's homemade aircraft had been airborne for about one-half mile before clipping the power line and crashing upside down on Central Europe Road.

Col. Charles Frasier, chief of staff of the Oklahoma National Guard, which oversees operations at Camp Gruber, said the Federal Aviation Administration would begin investigating the crash Tuesday morning. Camp Gruber is an Oklahoma National Guard training site.

Harding worked at the Whitaker Education Training Center in Pryor. An employee of Mid-America Aviation in Pryor said Harding was an excellent pilot with more than 20 years flying experience and had at least 100 hours flying time in the light single-engine plane.

The employee, who asked to not be identified, said Harding's plane, while considered experimental, was FAA certified. "My kids have flown with (Harding), a lot of people around here have. I've flown that plane. There was nothing wrong with it," the employee said, adding that he hadn't seen Harding depart Pryor earlier in the day.

Oklahoma National Guard Staff Sgt. Robert Louis Hardin crashed and died at the location where previously the Ryder truck was photograhed.

It appears Staff Sgt. Robert Louis Hardin was the source of the Ryder truck photograph
shown above.

N366RH is Deregistered

Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1

Aircraft Description
Serial Number MK366 Type Registration Individual

Manufacturer Name HARDING ROBERT L
Certificate Issue Date 07/28/1994
Model 1500 R MINI-MAX

Mode S Code 51022025
Year Manufacturer None

Cancel Date 09/22/1995
Reason for Cancellation Destroyed

Wow!

Honway, thank you so much for that evidence, it is KILLER!

I'll definitely use all of that.

If you have anymore I would be gald to see it. There are many smoking guns in that argument, but it just gets blown off as McVeigh did it.

In a World cultures class, she was talking about terrorism and brought up how the Islamics could look at any of use and think were terrorists because of the OKC bombings. She picked on a random student and said "how do I know your not a terrorist? you have blue eyes and brown hair?" I said, what about the second person in the truck, reported by many eyewitneses?

She said he was caught and let go, and just blew me off.

First, that is BULLSHIT. he was never caught or questioned, and the WHOLE case that he was even there was dismissed. so she doesnt even know the real government story just really, making up myths.

second, her calling a student out and saying that he could be a terrorist is wrong. the student obviously didn't care but now that i think about it, I should have said more and not have given up the argument. Could a, should a, would a is how it goes.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b1aa4cb0517.htm


Pentagon Report: Destruction in OKC caused by 5 Seperate Bombs


Source: Strategic Investment Weekly
Published: 3-20-1996
Posted on 06/03/2001 13:57:47 PDT by honway

"A classified report prepared by two independent Pentagon experts has concluded that the destruction of the federal building in Oklahoma City last April was caused by five separate bombs. The two experts reached the same conclusion for the same technical reasons.

Sources close to the Pentagon study say Timothy McVeigh did play a role in the bombing but peripherally, as a "useful idiot." The multiple bombings have a Middle Eastern "signature," pointing to either Iraqi or Syrian involvement."



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The quote is from an article in the 3-20-1996 Strategic Investment Newsletter. At the time, William Colby, former CIA Director, was an editor for the publication. I believe his status as editor contributes to the credibility of the article.

PETITION FOR WRIT OF MANDAMUS OF PETITIONER-DEFENDANT,
TIMOTHY JAMES McVEIGH AND BRIEF IN SUPPORT
MARCH 25, 1997


http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/mcveigh/part08.htm

19.

May 6, 1996

Letter to Joseph H. Hartzler concerning an article in
Strategic Investment magazine which referenced a
classified Pentagon study concerning the bombing of the
Murrah Building. This letter requested information
concerning this classified study. See D.E. 1923 (Vol. III
Exhibit "P").

Camera saw figure in bomb truck , Oklahoma City video is unclear, but it may show John Doe No. 2

The Kansas City Star
October 28, 1995
Section: NATIONAL/WORLD
Edition: METROPOLITAN
Page: A4

Camera saw figure in bomb truck

Oklahoma City video is unclear, but it may show John Doe No. 2.

The Associated Press

OKLAHOMA CITY - Videotape from a surveillance camera captured a glimpse of a shadowy figure in the passenger seat of a bomb-laden Ryder truck minutes before it blew apart the federal building, a federal law enforcement source says.

The footage is not clear enough to identify anyone, but it adds to the body of evidence that a third figure - perhaps the long-sought John Doe No. 2 - took part in the attack with two other persons, the source said.

``There's a shape in there, but they can't see a face,'' the source said of footage, which was taken by a camera on a nearby apartment building. The camera picked up the shadowy passenger about three minutes before the bomb went off April 19 at the Murrah Federal Building.

The government says Timothy McVeigh drove to Oklahoma City in the truck, parked it in front of the federal building and made his getaway in a yellow Mercury Marquis. But prosecutors have given no indication that Terry Nichols, also charged in the case, was in Oklahoma City the day of the bombing.

Although a federal grand jury indicted only McVeigh and Nichols on murder and conspiracy charges, agents scoured the country for a third conspirator, known only as John Doe No. 2, who was portrayed in sketches distributed shortly after the blast.

Authorities later said that an innocent Army private resembled the sketches. But the drawings were never withdrawn. Moreover, the indictment accuses McVeigh and Nichols of acting with ``others unknown,'' and agents were still hunting for other conspirators.

A call Friday to Assistant U.S. Attorney Steve Mullins, a spokesman for the prosecution team, was not returned immediately.

Prosecutors repeatedly refused to discuss surveillance tape or other evidence in the case.

McVeigh's lawyer, Stephen Jones, said he had not seen the tape and could not comment.

A senior federal official in Washington said recently that agents currently searching did not expect to turn up another key player in the plot.

The law enforcement source, however, said many investigators remained convinced that John Doe No. 2 was still at large.

McVeigh and Nichols go on trial May 17.

Third Suspect Identified in Oklahoma Bombing

Houston Chronicle,p.A-1, May 12,1995
Published: May 12,1995 Author: Dan Thomasson and Peter Copeland/Scripps Howard News Service

A third man wanted in the Oklahoma City bombing has been identified as Steven Colbern, a fugitive from a previous firearms charge.

Colbern, aged 35 or 36, is described as 6-foot-1 and 195 pounds with green eyes, which roughly matches the description of John Doe II.

Law enforcement sources said Thursday night that Colbern was identified through his brown pickup. It was captured, by chance on video taken from the state trooper's car that stopped Timothy McVeigh for speeding only 80 minutes after the blast.

"That trooper had a hell of a day," a federal investigator said.

An automatic camera in the car of Trooper Charles Hanger was taping the arrest of McVeigh. In the background was the image of the pickup, which also pulled over while McVeigh was being questioned.

Sophisticated enhancement techniques were used to improve the video until investigators could read the license plate number.

The truck, registered to Colbern, contained traces of ammonium nitrate, believed to be the main explosive ingredient used in the bombing.

Colbern's age is uncertain. His address is unknown, but he shared a mail drop with McVeigh in Kingman, Ariz., sources said. The truck was found parked outside an abandoned mobile home in Kingman.

Colbern already was wanted on a federal firearms charge, officials said. He was arrested last summer in San Bernadino, Calif., for carrying a gun with a silencer. He was allowed to post bail but skipped."

Honaway, have you ever tought of making a website with this information? I might even do it...

Thanks again for all the information! Its a great help and it really PROVES that it was a cover up and a false flag operation.

If anyone has any mroe information, please post, I am writing an essay about the OKC bombings in school, thanks again.

Nichols Fingers FBI Agent Directing McVeigh in OKC Bombing By Name

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/febru...207fbiagent.htm


New OKC Revelations Spotlight FBI Involvement In Bombing

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/febru...revelations.htm

Attorney: Ashcroft Gagged Nichols From Exposing McVeigh's OKC Bombing Conspirators

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/febru...ggednichols.htm

Attorney: Sealed Documents Indicate OKC Inside Job

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/febru...07insidejob.htm

The Trentadue Files

OKC BOMBING FALLOUT, ATF warned before OKC bomdings

An attorney's decade-long search for justice in his brother's murder finally yields fruit -- and breaks through a mass of lies and coverup in the OKC bombing.....The Truth Will Out

Government had prior knowledge of OKC bombings

An interview with Alex Jones and David Shippers, Shippers claims "government had prior knowledge." (10-10-01)

Nichols says bombing was FBI op
Detailed confession filed in S.L. about Oklahoma City plot

Deseret Morning News | February 21, 2007
Geoffrey Fattah

Source: Nichols says bombing was FBI op


Feds failed to follow bombing evidence
Information in Utahn's FBI lawsuit points to possible co-conspirators in Oklahoma City blast

Link shut down

OKC Bombshell Implicates Feds In Murrah Blast


Only moments after an enormous blast blew away most of the facade and a full quarter of the eastern end of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, the FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) began to release evidence implicating two men, and two men only, who they claimed were solely responsible. The evidence later showed that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols had confessed to the impossible.

At first, several independent investigators came forward to complain that there was an obvious cover-up. Now they call it the “ongoing cover-up of the cover-up.” And now, even the new OKC museum contradicts the official theory of what happened on April 19.

Officials in charge at the time still refuse to discuss anything other than the manufactured spin: McVeigh and Nichols, as convicted by the courts, mixed up a large batch of ammonium nitrate fuel oil (ANFO—a mild explosive used by farmers to blow out stumps) and demolished several square blocks of downtown Oklahoma City with a devastating blast that could be heard miles away.

In reality, the ANFO story was born only 10 minutes after the blast when a high-ranking BATF official by the name of Harry Everhart witnessed the blast from nearby and called the BATF office in Dallas to excitedly announce, “Someone has just blown up the federal building in Oklahoma City with a truckload of ANFO!”

Some reporters and investigators, who have looked objectively at the bombing, now argue that neither Everhart nor anyone else could have correctly deduced in such a short time exactly what caused the explosion.

According to government documents released later, Ever hart was experienced in loading large amounts of ammonium nitrate fertilizer into a vehicle for use as a terrorist truck bomb, and his presence in the midst of the second worst terrorist attack in U.S. history looms suspicious to this day.

Records indicate that this ANFO explosives expert and his associates had destroyed at least eight vehicles in “test bombing experiments” at a secret range in the New Mexico desert in the 12 months prior to the OKC bombing.

Everhart and his fellow specialists even photographed and videotaped these truck bombs as they detonated.

Far from an anti government militia member, the vehicle bomb expert was Special Agent Everhart, an employee of the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. And, according to federal government records obtained later, Everhart had been instrumental in obtaining the government funding to perform the ANFO bombing tests.

Everhart served on the National Response Team (NRT), a group of experienced bomb and arson investigators who respond to major bombing crime scenes throughout the United States.

He also served on a secret government project in 1994 that conducted tests using ANFO and C-4 to blow up cars and vans in a classified U.S. government experiment known as “Project Dipole Might.”

According to files, reports and photographs obtained from the Department of the Treasury through a Freedom of Information Act request, the U.S. government initiated a “comprehensive ANFO and C-4 vehicle bomb testing program” about a year before the OKC bombing. Records show the project was supervised and administered by the BATF, but was actually funded through a National Security Council (NSC) directive.

The Department of Treasury has confirmed the project was initiated under President Bill Clinton’s NSC staff shortly after he took office in 1993.

The intent of the Dipole Might experiments in 1994 includes making videos and computer models to “be displayed in a courtroom to aid in the prosecution of defendants” in vehicle bomb cases, according to government documents. The exact precedent and purpose of this activity is unclear. BATF agents started blowing up vans and cars in the spring of 1994 at the White Sands Missile Range in order to collect test data for post-blast forensics computer software packages to be issued out to National Response Team personnel when they respond to truck bombings.

Why the NSC would fund such a BATF project—despite the rarity of the crime—has not been explained.

Nor has it been explained as to what specific threat-assessment information the government had when it decided to engage in such a project, just a few months before officials claimed a Ryder truck laden with ammonium nitrate fertilizer exploded in front of the Murrah building.

The only major ANFO vehicle bombing in U.S. history, prior to OKC, occurred in August 1970 at the University of Wisconsin, in Madison, Wis.

Contrary to media reports, the World Trade Center bomb of February 1993 was composed of urea nitrate, not ANFO, according to the FBI.

Despite only one known case in almost 25 years, why did Clinton’s NSC anticipate a need for detailed information regarding ANFO vehicle bomb attacks a few months prior to the Oklahoma City blast?

Treasury’s own official documents reveal the intensity of interest. In fact, a brief summary of “Project Dipole Might” is featured in BATF’s 1994 Annual Report to Congress.

There were enough clandestine characters hanging around Oklahoma City to fill a James Bond movie during the days prior to the crime.

BATF’s paid informant Carol Howe had provided information that the Murrah building was one of three potential targets.



On April 6, Cary Gagan gave U.S. marshals in Denver the information that “a federal building would be blown up in either Denver or Oklahoma City within two weeks.” He had not only personally delivered timers and blasting caps to a Middle Eastern group, but had sat in on a meeting where the blueprints of the Murrah Building were on display.

Then, 38 minutes before the blasts on April 19, the Department of Justice in Washington received an anonymous telephone call warning that the Murrah Building was about to be blown up but took no action.

After a morning of reporting that “multiple bombs” had been found in the Murrah debris—a report publicly confirmed by the Gov. Frank Keating—and that rescue operations had been halted for two hours while these unexploded bombs were removed, news people suddenly began to spin the government yarn about an ANFO bomb being responsible for the enormous damage.

One of the problems with that theory was the fact that the columns remained standing directly across the sidewalk from the truck as opposed to those that had collapsed more than 50 feet away. A retired air force brigadier general with 30 years experience compiled an irrefutable report on this subject, which showed exactly where the charges were placed inside the building.

It was so irrefutable that the prosecution refused to allow him to testify at the Denver trial as it would have destroyed any ANFO theory that the government had already sold to the American people.

On May 23, 1995, only 34 days after the explosions, the federal government stonewalled all attempts to examine the building’s remaining structure and carried out an ordered demolition, destroying and burying forever what many believed contained the evidence of many explosions.

(not qouted for easy reading)

American Free Press

Real Evidence of Conspiracy Discredited by Unprovable Theories

Full artical...

Note: Not cherry picking, read the full artical

More evidence points to FBI prior knowledge and Middle East connection thanks to FBI whistle blower Robert Wright.

Full artical...

(great read on probable black operation for OKC and 911, goes into funding and such)

***SMOKING GUN***

The Oklahoma City Bombing
PROOF there were additional explosive charges.

PROOF

READ IT FOR YOURSELF!!! DOCUMENTS!!!

***GREAT FIND***