I've posted once in the past, and came to the conclusion that I do not believe your version of the story. If any evidence was given to me, I'd be open and receptive to it...but all I've been given is misquotes, selective pictures (the ones you want me to see because they help your case the most) and opinions from people who are far from experts.

What I would like to do today is contest one point in the film. Building 7 would be "The third steel framed building in history to collapse because of a fire. The first two, would be the Twin Towers." Then the video goes on to mention numerous other tall buildings that survived fires.

Now, I'd like you to read this part of an article from Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacArthur_Maz...nector_collapse

The quote that I want you to read is:

"The intense heat from the subsequent fuel spill and fire weakened the steel structure of the roadway above, which served as the connecting ramp from Interstate 80 east (from San Francisco) to Interstate 580 east (to Oakland), collapsing approximately 168 feet (50 m) of it onto the lower connector."

So, Loose Change contests that jet fuel can't burn hot enough to weaken steel and cause a building to collapse. Now, I don't have exact weights of either the bridge sections that collapsed or either of the buildings, but I'm willing to bet a few bucks that the buildings were a bit heavier. Also, I have not done the research needed to see what temperature Fuel from a tanker burns at compared to fuel from a jet engine, I'm basing my post off the fact that they are probably close enough, and if anything, the jet fuel probably burns a bit hotter.

Hell, I'll even give loose change some help, lets say that only 1/3rd of the weight of the building was pressing down on the weakened steel from the fire. I'm still willing to bet that the weight is much higher than any of the stress that was on the bridge that collapsed.

Any thoughts or arguements?

This discussion has been beaten to death already on this site. Should have done a search before posting.

Either way, since I have some real world experience with this specific area I will reply...

Freeway overpass construction and High-rise building construction have very little in relation. From the materials used, to the design of the structural members.

I have had personal dealings with Cal-trans (the company who built the overpass) in working for my father. He owns a construction grade steel fastener company and one of his biggest customers is Cal-Trans. Those overpasses span very large sections of roadway. Before Earthquake retrofitting became mandatory those things collapsed all the time. Further more, they contain very little large steel beams (like the towers were built with). Normally you will only see two steel I beams that span either side of the over pass. The rest is constructed with road grade concrete (in the U.S. This is not the best stuff) that is lined with 3/4"-1" rebar before the concrete is poured. Often times they will then top the roadway of with asphault, which is a petroleum based road covering. The Blacktop was used in this particular overpass, and probably also lead to its collapse. Considering it takes very little heat for the asphalt to burn. You can always tell when there has been a car fire because the asphault is all burnt.

Now also, its been recorded that the driver also crashed at a pretty decent speed into one of the only two support columns. These are not high tensile strength steel columns lined with concrete. They are simply poured concrete forms that are lined with rebar as well. All and all, they are more or less designed to survive earthquake physics and not fire damage.

Nyxus I will be flat out honest with you.

If you are truly willing to learn then start now. I will let you in on some information.

People generaly have lack of respect and curiosity for the past. I was once one of the victems because I didn't realise what knowing the past meant. Knowing the past has many many countless advantages. At face value this all means nothing to you, I know i've been there.

You must take in account past governments, past opressors, past lies, past evils, past lies by our own government (factual evidence) and false flag operations (fact!). I'd be suprised if you knew the term False Flag. This goes to show you, you have probaly a good intent and want us to see your ways.

But honestly I would love to explain to every person who comes along in great detail history and why it is so relivant to today.

People have been fighting for freedom since law and government was first made. Evil people have controled minipulated lied and supressed people.

It is pure ignorance by deffinition of the word to ignore the past and deny its relivence to today. It would be utterly unsatisfactory to deny yourself a good lesson in past governments, people, freedom, opression, false flag operations, death, slavery, taxation. Weither or not you like it Nyxus and I have the power of history to back me. Our government is disoberying the laws of life aka our bill of rights and constituion. It is enslaving us and training us as brainwashed "zombies".

My suggestion to you, buy some books, watch some documentary movies, watch the history channel and think for yourself don't accept something as fact with out hearing both sides. Keep an open mind because psycoligsts have made it clear people with one story inside of their head are less likely to believe a different story contridicting their first one. Even if the first story is false.

What books? The making of America the substance and menaning of the constitution by W. Cleon Skousen
Also by the same author, A miracle that chnged the world the 5000 year leap Principles of freedom 101.

Movies - America Freedom to facisim, loose change 911, sir no sir, The money masters, the prophecy club final warning a history of the new world order.

That would give you a good start into understanding why 911 is what we say it is. 911 has evidence you can argue, but you would be arguing fiction vs our fact.

hahaahah he brought up the bridge



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Remeber Science Is YOUR best friend






http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...0070509-12.html


I normaly just show sheep that then if they have any idea wtf the constituion is they will reply like.omg /cry i had no idea /cry waaaaa why us /cry

THEN I have to spend an hours converting the sheep B/C IN THE END HE IS A SHEEP

Tho this one guy msged me back after 2 days of HIS OWN research showing me a few things I didnt even know =D

Hes the one Case i've had of a non sheep mofo i met over the interwebs B)

DONT LET anybody deter you from your discussion of the issues. nor make you feel that you do not have something to contribute. there is much you can learn here. welcome to the forum, if you need a friend to talk to, you can message me. also gunstar 1