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alive and still talking - June 12, 2007 09:25 AM (GMT)
WE ARE

Agricultural communities are concerned that the nation's breadbasket will collapse
due to a problem within the bee-keeping aspect of commercial farming.

In our efforts to create the superbee we don’t shrink from artificially inseminating queens—an impressive technical feat, but one that is completely against the bee’s nature. We raise millions of queens merely to kill them on their eighth day of embryonic development so that we can harvest royal jelly.

Thousands of tons of corn syrup or sugar syrup are fed to our U.S. colonies so that we can harvest practically all of the honey instead of the surplus. No one asks what this does to the honeybee’s metabolism, the delicate balance between the acidity of its digestive tract and the alkalinity of its blood.

For simplicity’s sake we also give the bees plastic foundations upon which to build their honeycomb: not only as a place where honey is stored, but also where the brood is raised. Perhaps we humans will also have wombs with plastic inserts in the future and call it progress.

Artificial production of colonies (cloning by designing dna to mass-produce)
artificial feeding, denying the bees honey, which contains all the nutrients, global warming and pesticides make survival of the agricultural workhorse impossible, and they wonder whats killing them?

GunStar1 - June 12, 2007 10:14 AM (GMT)

GunStar1 - June 12, 2007 10:27 AM (GMT)

GunStar1 - June 12, 2007 10:29 AM (GMT)
"Australian bees in high demand
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The World Today - Monday, 7 May , 2007 12:43:07
Reporter: Kim Landers
ELEANOR HALL: To a booming Australian export, not minerals but bees.

Australian bee exporters are finding they can't send enough Aussie bees to the United States, where local bees are mysteriously disappearing by the hundreds of thousands.

Research in the US has found that something is attacking the local bees' immune system, rendering the bees vulnerable to any contagion. Australian bees have been coming to the rescue, trying to make up the numbers to pollinate many of America's crops.

But now the new arrivals are also dying, as North America Correspondent Kim Landers reports.

KIM LANDERS: The flight of the bees is proving a mystery. An estimated one quarter of America's 2.5-million bee colonies has been lost. The US Department of Agriculture says bees have been vanishing from 22 states, and no one really knows why.

It means commercial beekeepers, like George Hansen from Oregon, have increased the number of Australian bees they're importing. He says the bees come on packages, put on a flight from Sydney to San Francisco.

GEORGE HANSEN: Somewhere between 25,000 and 50,000 per Spring have been brought into California from Australia and these are three or four pounds each.

KIM LANDERS: How much does a package of bees cost?

GEORGE HANSEN: Three pound package with a queen is somewhere between $110 and $120 and a four-pound package with a queen is somewhere between $130 and $140.

KIM LANDERS: Jeff Anderson is another commercial beekeeper who moves between California and Minnesota. He has used Aussie bees for the past two years, but doesn't think they're immune from the mysterious colony collapse.

JEFF ANDERSON: I'm fairly suspicious that it is directly tied with this colony collapse, because what we noticed on our first shipment in this year, we installed 385 packages and - which is a full shipment - and within three days we probably lost between 75 and 80 per cent of the field bees out of those packages that we installed.

KIM LANDERS: So, what do you think is behind it?

JEFF ANDERSON: Research people out at Penn State said that when they dissect bees that have died from colony collapse, that it appears their immune system has just totally gone to pieces. It's like they just lost their immune system and anything will kill them.

KIM LANDERS: Bees are needed to pollinate about 90 varieties of fruit and vegetables grown in the US, including apples, avocados and blueberries.

Jeff Anderson says the disappearance of the American bees is not the only reason why Australian bees are being used.

JEFF ANDERSON: There's a couple other factors that are creating a need for Australian bees. The almond industry here in the United States, particularly in California I should say, has done a major expansion and we're short on pollinators.

We'll soon be short on pollinators for that crop, so I think the Australian package thing is probably here to stay for a while.

KIM LANDERS: A few years ago, none of this would have been possible. Beekeepers say America has only started to import Australian bees thanks to the Australia-US Free Trade Agreement.

This is Kim Landers reporting from Washington."

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Source:

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2007/s1916354.htm

GunStar1 - June 12, 2007 10:32 AM (GMT)
"Sweet success

Reporter: Sean Murphy

First Published: 12/02/2006

SALLY SARA: Moving on, and in Australia, European honey bees have long been recognised for their importance in pollinating food crops worth billions of dollars. But a relative newcomer, at least in scientific terms, could one day play a role just as crucial. They are Australian native stingless bees, which are also in growing demand for their unique aromatic honey known as Sugarbag.

SEAN MURPHY: They look like small bush flies and largely go unnoticed in the wild. Even scientists admit there's much to learn about Australia's native bees.

TIM HEARD: There are about 1,500 different species of native bees described in this country. But the actual figure may be twice that high. There may be about 3,000 species. 1,500 or so are just waiting to be described. The vast majority of Australian native bees are solitary insects. They just go about their life like a beetle or a butterfly. They don't really have a social life with others of their same species, whereas our native Australian stingless bees live in colonies of many thousands of individuals that work together.

SEAN MURPHY: For CSIRO entomologist and bee keeper Tim Heard, stingless native bees are more than just a curiosity. He believes they could be an important insurance policy for Australia's horticulture industries. Diseases and pests such as the veroamite have ravaged European honey bee populations around the world and a quarantine breach in Australia could have devastating consequences for food crops.

TIM HEARD: Some believe it's only a matter of time before it does reach Australia. Once it does reach here, it will be much more difficult to keep honey bees here and feral populations of honey bees - populations that occur in the wild unmanaged by people - will be negatively affected as well. And these bees provide a very important pollination service for many crop species. Those bees will no longer be available. They will no longer be there to provide a free pollination service to our orchardists, and that makes, that provides many opportunities for the use of native bee species.

SEAN MURPHY: Some social species of stingless native bees such as Trigona carbonaria are already being used to pollinate crops like these macadamias in the Northern Rivers regions of NSW.

MARK GROSSKOPF: About 16 years ago I was introduced to native bees by a friend. During that time I learnt a lot of management techniques. In the year 2000, I realised that there was an economic value put on these native bees that was well underestimated.

SEAN MURPHY: Mark and Kim Grosskopf run a professional pollination service and have had success with avocados, melons, strawberries, apples and macadamias.

MARK GROSSKOPF: They're a lot easier to manage because they're a lot lighter hive. They pose no threat to humans, so - naturally being stingless they pose no threat. Honey bees are incidental pollinators. Their main role is the collection of nectar. Australian native bees are active pollinators and their main role is the collection and transfer of pollen.

SEAN MURPHY: What sort of feedback have you had from the producers who have been using your service?

MARK GROSSKOPF: I've had a lot of good response back from them and so much that they usually order 12 months ahead.

SEAN MURPHY: Macadamia grower Frank Adcock runs a1,200 tree orchard near Bangalow in the Northern Rivers. He believes Trigona carbonaria bees can deliver three times the nut set that honey bees can. While drought reduced the region's overall macadamia production last year, his farm increased its yield.

FRANK ADCOCK: While most growers in the area had a drop in crop, I had an increase of about 100% in kernel I delivered to the factory, although my trees are still growing. It was a bad year and the production was quite good. I was quite pleased.

SEAN MURPHY: And you'd put that down entirely to your bees?

FRANK ADCOCK: I put that down mainly to the Trigona bee and the way they foraged for pollen.

SEAN MURPHY: A potential threat to Australia's insect biodiversity comes from the European bumble bee. Their so-called buzz pollination can double yields for greenhouse grown produce, and although found in Tasmania, applications to import them to the mainland have been rejected by the Australian Quarantine Inspection Service.

TIM HEARD: European bumble bees have been introduced into other parts of the world and in many of those countries they've become invasive pest insects. They've left the enclosures in which they were introduced and formed natural populations in the wild, and these populations have a lot of potential to compete negatively with our native bee fauna.

SEAN MURPHY: For now, a more immediate concern to native bee numbers is land clearing. At Coffs Harbour on the mid-north coast of NSW, Will Archer has collected about 50 native bee nests from loggers.

WILL ARCHER: If we had have left this in this log any longer, this nest probably would have died because it's so waterlogged and it's starting to get mould in it. I don't know how long this has been laying on the ground because I got it from loggers the other day. It's all crushed as well, so it must have hit the ground with a bit of a bang. I am not sure whether the queen survived in this or not, but what I'm going to do is I might get a queen egg cell out of one of my other hives and put it in here just in case so they'll breed up a new queen.

SEAN MURPHY: The 24-year-old is trying to collect enough stingless bees to harvest commercial quantities of their honey. In the wild their fragile nests are easily damaged but he's developed an artificial hive which can be harvested without affecting the bee brood.

WILL ARCHER: The features of my design, there's three sections to it. There's the two bottom sections, which is the brood and in that is all their eggs and enough honey and pollen to survive through the winter. On top there's a separate super and once they've filled up their brood and they have enough stores to survive winter, they put their excess in the top and you can just lift that off without damaging the nest structure at all and harvest that honey.

SEAN MURPHY: Will Archer's design earned him $25,000 in a national small business competition and he wants to use the money to tap into pollination and native honey markets.

WILL ARCHER: Both are native stingless bee honey. One is a more mature one - this darker one is much older and this one here is one I got out of my hives the other day. It has a bit of pollen mixed in with it - it hasn't had time to settle yet.

SEAN MURPHY: Beekeeper and honey retailer Jeff Daley believes the honey, or Sugarbag as it's known, has huge potential.

JEFF DALEY: Beautiful aroma. The aroma has got a lot to do with flavour. The nose tells us what our tastebuds like. Very sweet. With a lot of pollen in it, it should have a lot of good properties to help out the human body.

SEAN MURPHY: What sort of potential do you think it will have in the marketplace?

JEFF DALEY: I think it will have very good potential. It's a niche market of its own. It's Australia's own native bee. No-one else in the world has it, so I reckon we've got a really good product that we can get out there.

SEAN MURPHY: The problem will be coming up with enough supply as native bee hives only produce about a kilogram of honey a year, compared to an average of 75 kilograms for European honey bees. Besides a unique tangy flavour, Sugarbag may also have medicinal benefits.

TIM HEARD: There's been very few studies done on the medicinal benefits of native bee honey. However all around the world where stingless bees are kept, native peoples use that honey for medicinal purposes. So it's likely there is some medicinal use of this honey.

SEAN MURPHY: The challenge in developing commercially viable native bee honey and pollination services, according to Dr Heard, will be in developing a critical mass of hives to sustain these industries. But also in greater understanding of them.

TIM HEARD: There's lots of research opportunities with these bees. We do need to know a lot more about what crops require pollination and what bees are efficient pollinators of those crops. There's a whole industry in utilising the honey of these bees and not only the honey, the propolis. There's many different applications for these bees and there's a lot of research needed to develop those applications. We need commitment from all the interested parties, including the horticultural industries, the honey industry, universities, state and federal government research departments in order to make that research happen.

FARM FACT: AUSTRALIAN RESEARCHERS ARE CURRENTLY INVESTIGATING THE USE OF TWO NATIVE BEE SPECIES FOR BUZZ POLLINATION OF CROPS SUCH AS TOMATOES. THEY ARE THE TEDDY BEAR BEE AND THE BLUE BANDED BEE."

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http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2006/s1565902.htm

GunStar1 - June 12, 2007 10:37 AM (GMT)
http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200704/s1896045.htm

www.epa.qld.gov.au/register/p00483ag.pdf


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GunStar1 - June 12, 2007 10:39 AM (GMT)

Online feature
Mystery of the dying bees
7 March 2007
by Benjamin Lester
Cosmos Online
Mystery of the dying bees
One of the most important crop pollinators in the world, honey bees in the United States have been decimated in recent months by a mysterious disease.
Image: Jon Sullivan/Wikipedia
Cosmos Bright Spark Awards 2007
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Something mysterious is killing honey bees, and even as billions are dropping dead across North America, researchers are scrambling to find answers and save one of the most important crop pollinators on Earth.

The almond trees are blooming and the bees are dying, and nobody knows why. All up and down California's vast San Joaquin Valley, nearly 2,500 square kilometres of small nut trees arranged in laser-straight rows are shaking off the cobwebs of winter. They're gearing up once again to produce nearly half a billion kilograms of nuts, worth US$3 billion to the U.S. economy.

The trees cannot produce the bounty on their own, however. They need bees - a million hives worth - trucked in from nearly forty U.S. states to move pollen from one tree to another, fertilising the blooms in the largest managed pollination event on Earth.

But even as the beekeepers reap record fees for renting their hives, their livelihood is now threatened by the largest loss of honey bees in the history of the industry.

Since October 2006, 35 per cent or more of the United States' population of the Western honey bee (Apis mellifera) - billions of individual bees - simply flew from their hive homes and disappeared.

When the almonds were being plucked from the trees late last year, Gene Brandi of Los Banos, California had 2,000 hives, but by late February he had just 1,200 - a loss of 40 per cent.

And Brandi is one of the more fortunate. Across the 24 U.S. states affected by the mysterious phenomenon, losses have ranged up to 90 per cent. "I've had a couple of yards where I've had 200 hives and they're down to 10 hives that are alive," says David Bradshaw of Visalia, about 180 kilometres southeast of Los Banos along California's Route 99.

What's causing the carnage, however, is a total mystery; all that scientists have come up with so far is a new name for the phenomenon - Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) - and a list of symptoms.

In hives hit by CCD, adult workers simply fly away and disappear, leaving a small cluster of workers and the hive's young to fend for themselves. Adding to the mystery, nearby predators, such as the wax moth, are refraining from moving in to pilfer honey and other hive contents from the abandoned hives; in CCD-affected hives the honey remains untouched.

The symptoms are baffling, but one of the emerging hypotheses is that the scourge is underpinned by a collapse of the bees' immune systems. Stressed out by cross-country truck journeys and drought, attacked by viruses and introduced parasites, or whacked out by harmful new pesticides, some researchers believe the bees' natural defences may have simply given way. This opens the door to a host of problems that the bees can normally suppress.

What's surprising is that mysterious declines are nothing new. As far back as 1896, CCD has popped up again and again, only under the monikers: 'fall dwindle' disease, 'May dwindle', 'spring dwindle', 'disappearing disease', and 'autumn collapse'.

Even the current outbreak has possibly been going on undetected for two years, according to the CCD Working Group - a crack group of U.S. researchers from institutes including the Pennsylvania State University and University of Montana, who are trying to unravel the mystery.

What has made the members of the Working Group - as well as conservationists, beekeepers, and farmers - really sit up and notice is the scale of this year's decimation; something in the environment has allowed CCD to reach an unprecedented scale that threatens the very survival of the pollination industry.

"We have never seen a die-off of this magnitude with this weird symptomology," says Maryann Frazier, a bee researcher at Pennsylvania State University. "We've seen bees disappear over time and dwindle away, but not die-off so quickly."

Asian mites and latent viruses

A problem preventing clear identification of CCD is that honey bees are already under threat from manifold foes.

Even without CCD, the number of managed hives in the U.S. has dwindled by nearly 50 per cent since the industry's peak in the 1970s. The main culprit for the die-offs is a tiny Asian mite. Known as Varroa destructor to scientists and the 'vampire mite' to beekeepers, these tiny parasites - circular, crab-like arachnids about the size of a bee's eyeball - have been quietly parasitising the Asiatic honey bee (Apis cerana) in Southeast Asia for millennia.
<i>Varroa destructor</i>
Varroa destructor, a tiny tick-like arachnid, has been wreaking havoc on U.S. honey bees since it was inadvertently introduced from Asia in the 1980s.
Scott Bauer/Wikipedia

Some time in the early 1980s, though, the mites hitched a ride to America and hopped on new hosts - spreading like wildfire throughout the defenceless Western honey bee population with the help of migratory beekeepers who obligingly trucked them around the country. The mites suck the vital juices out of both developing and adult bees, and left unchecked can kill a hive within 12 months.

In addition to the damage that the mites do themselves, they also spread viruses. Furthermore, the mites appear to assist the viruses by somehow sabotaging the bees' immune system.

"There's something about a mite feeding on a bee that just knocks its immune system out. [Then] the viruses can take over," says Eric Mussen, a bee researcher at the University of California, Davis.

But mites and their viruses have been infecting U.S. honey bees for nearly 30 years. What has experts worried is that CCD kills bees even more efficiently than mites - destroying a healthy colony in a matter of weeks.

All stressed out

As if having its bodily fluids sucked out by a parasite wasn't enough to weaken a bee, some suspect its immune system is also under attack from plain old stress.

Just as humans fall ill more readily after draining tasks or emotional upheavals, Mussen says stress is a sure-fire way to compromise bee immunity too.

And the lives of commercial honey bees are filled with stress. A typical year for a hive might entail up to five cross-country truck trips, chasing crops to pollinate and clover fields to make honey in. Banging the bees around during cross-country journeys can take a heavy toll.

"Some of the beekeepers you talk to will tell you that they'll lose 10 per cent of their queens" on every trip, Mussen says. And besides transportation stress, many of the hardest-hit beekeepers have reported that their hives underwent extraordinary stresses like drought, overcrowding, or famine, in the months before die-offs occurred.

Stress alone won't kill a bee, but Mussen thinks that it's just one more factor conspiring against them. "It's the knocking down of the immune system, it's having mites around - everything is just piling up - they haven't got much of a chance."

Fly away and die

Pesticides are designed to kill bugs and other pests on crops without causing harm to humans or the environment. But in a never-ending biological arms race, miscreant insects develop resistance to new pesticides nearly as fast as chemists can create them. In this tit-for-tat exchange, scant attention is paid to effects that new pesticides have on beneficial insects like honey bees.

While many pesticides are downright lethal to bees, some new studies have pointed to other strange effects found at low doses. For example, low doses of new compounds called neonicotinoids might be interfering with bee minds. Potentially, this prevents them from remembering their colony's location and causes them to get lost and never return.

According to Pennsylvania State University entomologist Diane Cox-Foster, another possibility is that neonicotinoids are another factor impairing bee immunity.

Yet another hypothesis is that sick adult bees may be self-sacrificing: flying away to die in order to protect the hive from further infection.

When the Working Group first examined samples of CCD-killed bees from across the country, one factor they found in common was fungal growth in the bees' guts. The fungi may be from the genus Aspergillus, a group of fungi that produce toxins which can kill young adult bees. Studies published in the past have reported that bees infected with the fungus fly away from the colony to die.

Not that Aspergillus is the only possibility. "We're asking if there is anything new that may have been brought in accidentally," says Cox-Foster. "We know that there are a couple of potential routes for introduction of new pathogens."

Hands off the hive

When a colony is weakened other bees or insects usually move in to take advantage of the gap and score a free lunch in the form of honey. Not so in CCD-killed hives; wax moths and other predators stay away, at least for much longer than they would normally.

According to Cox-Foster, it could be that insects' keen sense of smell may be keeping them away from dangerous chemicals present in the dead hive. "We know that insects are very good at detecting chemicals in their environment. There are studies that have taken caterpillars and shown that they'll actually feed around a droplet of pesticide on a leaf because they can detect it"

"One of our hypotheses is that the fungus itself is producing toxins that are being detected by the other insects. Likewise, it could be one of these environmental contaminants [like pesticides]," she says.

That's as far as the research detectives have gotten to date. Are bees, under stress from many sources, succumbing to pressure from new pathogens or chemicals? Between mites, viruses, fungi, stress and new pesticides, the insects are under threat like never before.

Fully one-third of fruits, vegetables, and nuts consumed in America are dependent on pollinators - overwhelmingly honey bees. The net value of all this produce to the U.S. economy is roughly US$15 billion per year. And across America experts are scrambling to find answers to the mystery before it turns into an even bigger economic and agricultural disaster.
Benjamin Lester was an intern at COSMOS who wrote stories for both the print magazine and Cosmos Online. He's a graduate of evolution and ecology from the University of California at Santa Cruz, USA.

GunStar1 - June 12, 2007 10:40 AM (GMT)
June 3rd, 2007 by Critical Times

Scientists are calling for urgent research funding to help Australia’s beekeeping industry fend off a serious threat to its livelihood.

The varroa destructor mite from the United States has the potential to wipe out the industry, as well as the $4 billion worth of crop pastures that rely on bees for pollination.

Denis Anderson from the CSIRO says even the best quarantine will not keep the mite out of Australia and the consequences will be widespread.

“Even given the best quarantine in the world, which I believe Australia has, that mite will get here,” he said.

“We need research to protect the industry and the industry just shouldn’t be left to deal with this because it’s just not a beekeeping problem, this is a horticultural and agricultural problem.”

Former CSIRO scientist Dr Max Whitten says there is little government funding for research.

“The reason for that is the money is largely driven by the value of honey and the value of honey is only about $90 million a year,” he said.

“Whereas the true value of the beekeeping industry is something like $4 billion a year so a very, very severe shortfall of funding on bee-related research.”

Much of the nectar producing habitat in Australia has already been wiped out by bushfires and coastal urban expansion.

A parliamentary inquiry into the threats facing the honeybee industry will begin in a fortnight.

The full report can be seen on ABC TV’s Landline at midday today.

darion - June 13, 2007 05:44 AM (GMT)
OMG it's another "alive" poster. Small portions please. I fall to sleep easily reading all that. Keep up the good work. I'm a small poster myself. Small but to the point. Enjoy your time here. I personally have gained a lot from this forum and others like it. (even the sceptics forums "they can't be wrong lol"). I love the sceptics here and all over the net. They have that "because I said so, so it's correct" attitude to any of their debates. I love their hard hitting evidence "their all wack jobs". I feel bad thinking I was once grouped in with them. ???????? WTF dam I went off on a rant sorry. Anyhow see you around. Also read my signature on sceptics views.

UKperspective - June 13, 2007 07:06 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (GunStar1 @ Jun 12 2007, 10:39 AM)
Online feature
Mystery of the dying bees
7 March 2007
by Benjamin Lester
Cosmos Online
Mystery of the dying bees
One of the most important crop pollinators in the world, honey bees in the United States have been decimated in recent months by a mysterious disease.
Image: Jon Sullivan/Wikipedia
Cosmos Bright Spark Awards 2007
advertisement

It has been widely reported in the UK that the dissapearence of bees is almost certainly due to GM crops.

GunStar1 - June 13, 2007 08:26 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (UKperspective @ Jun 13 2007, 05:06 PM)
QUOTE (GunStar1 @ Jun 12 2007, 10:39 AM)
Online feature
Mystery of the dying bees
7 March 2007
by Benjamin Lester
Cosmos Online
Mystery of the dying bees
One of the most important crop pollinators in the world, honey bees in the United States have been decimated in recent months by a mysterious disease.
Image: Jon Sullivan/Wikipedia
Cosmos Bright Spark Awards 2007
advertisement

It has been widely reported in the UK that the dissapearence of bees is almost certainly due to GM crops.

The latest theory in Australia, that I've heard, is that the bees get all out of whack because of mobile phones, and other general electronic interference. i.e. they get lost because their 'targeting' gets all muddled.

However, that has nothing to do with the American situation, and anyway. . .

Last time I heard, this 'mobile phone' theory was quickly dismissed. Sorry guys, I can't provide a link to this, because I just heard it one night on the news - in passing - and can't recall all the details anyway.

*** Sorry about the long, random posts. I just threw in some random shit. Trying to be more like, 'Alive'~! hehe

GS1

alive and still talking - June 14, 2007 03:44 AM (GMT)
gunstar>read your links, so are you telling me that bees imported from china have microbes for which western european bees have no resistance ?

china imports threaten australian bee colonies,
australia imports bees to the u.s.

sounds like--instead of bird flu, we got bee flu

GunStar1 - June 14, 2007 01:29 PM (GMT)
Link acknowledged from latest at. . .

'the lounge' :)



http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci...0,1027860.story

UKperspective - June 14, 2007 01:59 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (GunStar1 @ Jun 14 2007, 01:29 PM)
Link acknowledged from latest at. . .

'the lounge' :)



http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci...0,1027860.story

Thanks for the link Gunstar, but that is the worst science article I have ever read. It sounded like it was written by someone who was about 14 years old with the scientific reasoning and thoroughness of someone who had no reasoning at all and who jumps to conclusions at the briefest hunch..

Was it written by Enid Blyton or perish the thought Dan Brown?

alive and still talking - June 14, 2007 09:58 PM (GMT)
gotta keep in mind that our journalists over here have been effectively
"SUFFOCATED AND GAGGED" by the republican regime, many who have not
subscribed to these nazi controls are either catching flack from authoriities,
or have found employment elsewhere,

so when somebody does report on a problem, we have to look at it as a good
thing, even though its not accurate. AT LEAST they are reporting on it.

UKperspective - June 15, 2007 12:23 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (alive and still talking @ Jun 14 2007, 09:58 PM)
gotta keep in mind that our journalists over here have been effectively
"SUFFOCATED AND GAGGED" by the republican regime, many who have not
subscribed to these nazi controls are either catching flack from authoriities,

Actually I was thinking that in this case it was more of the fact that journalism today is largely bereft of people who have any scientific or technical understanding.
They are more interested in selling copies than writing anything which might be in any way interesting or accurate.
That piece seems to me like someone has quickly summarised a story from "New scientist" or "Nature" without understanding the points or citing any references.

It is rather like me summarising a game of American football, I have never watched a game and I don't know anything about the rules!

alive and still talking - June 15, 2007 06:11 PM (GMT)
journalism all over the world has been reduced to tabloid mentality, even on bbc. maybe its the water




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