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Title: A Little Inside Info On Wtc7..
Description: ..from the mouth of my NY-cuz


eeban - June 5, 2007 09:40 PM (GMT)
....erm, well, I think it's very important to share information as it comes along.. So, here you go:

Basically, this is the written words of my cousin, a New York firefighter, about his experience on 9/11..... :


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On September 11th, my crew and I were working in and
around building 6 which is right next to building 7.
There was a massive piece missing from the bottom of
building 7, it looked like someone had taken an axe
and cut into the last three floors (the damage was
done by a large piece of the North Tower that had
sliced into building 7) There was A LOT of fire in the
lower floors of building 7 that I could see. Black
smoke, ash and dust blocked my view of the upper
floors so I don't know if they were burning too.
There were several emergency response crews setting up
laser levels and pointing them at building 7 so if it
started to move the laser levels would alert someone
and they could clear the area. There was NEVER any
explosions or "pops" when 7 fell, it sounded like the
roar of a jet plane as it came crashing down into
building 6..................

I've seen the reports online about the towers falling
because of "controlled demolitions," but I wasn't
there to witness the towers falling and I'm not an
expert on demolitions so I can't answer that
question......................

None of the firefighters I was working with that day
were ever informed that Building 7 was going to be
"pulled" . When we heard the roar of the building
falling it sounded like another plane flying VERY low
over our heads, at first we thought it was one of the
military jets circling lower. It wasn't until that
roar got A LOT louder we realized what it was and
we started running...............

The buildings that remained standing surrounding the
Towers were HEAVILY damaged. There was no glass left
on any of the floors, entire chunks were takin out of
the buildings from falling debris, and the fires were
said to be caused by the jet fuel when the towers
collapsed.................

The molten steel IS true. I know because I took a
piece of it once it cooled. It sits next to my bed
and is the first thing I see every day when I wake up.
I am VERY suspicious of the molten steel, I know
that certain chemicals must be present to keep the
metal liquid and burning for so long, but that isn't
enough for me to change my thoughts on that day. I'll
admit there are many New Yorkers that are suspicious,
but we still treat that day as a day of mourning........

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Ferric Oxide - June 6, 2007 03:48 PM (GMT)
Would a very small sample of the molten steel be available for sampling? Please...

e^n - June 6, 2007 04:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ferric Oxide @ Jun 6 2007, 10:48 AM)
Would a very small sample of the molten steel be available for sampling? Please...

Seriously, Dr. Greening would be a good choice for this as he's not a fan of NIST nor of demolition theories, sending a sample to Dr Jones would be excellent also.

Do you mind if I ask how he knows it's steel, and whether it was literally liquid or just a bit soft and red?

chris sarns - June 7, 2007 11:26 AM (GMT)
eeban:

The Chiefs say they pulled everybody back 600' around 3:00 or 3:30.

How come your cousin was still fighting the fires in WTC 6 when WTC 7 collapsed?

Craig Bartmer said he had to run too, but he heard explosions.

There is a conflict of accounts between the firefighters and the fire Chiefs.

eeban - June 11, 2007 08:41 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ferric Oxide @ Jun 6 2007, 10:48 AM)
Would a very small sample of the molten steel be available for sampling? Please...

I don't know, but maybe if the right people asked for it? I don't see why not though. But I think I read somewhere that someone has already tested the molten steel from wtc.. ? Still, maybe more samples would strengthen the case.. ? :blink:

eeban - June 11, 2007 08:49 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (e^n @ Jun 6 2007, 11:01 AM)
QUOTE (Ferric Oxide @ Jun 6 2007, 10:48 AM)
Would a very small sample of the molten steel be available for sampling? Please...

Seriously, Dr. Greening would be a good choice for this as he's not a fan of NIST nor of demolition theories, sending a sample to Dr Jones would be excellent also.

Do you mind if I ask how he knows it's steel, and whether it was literally liquid or just a bit soft and red?

Well, he worked on ground zero for some time after 9/11, cleaning up debree and rubble and such, and this is where he took it from. How he knows it's steel, I'm not sure. He's not an expert, and neither am I, but if I remember corectly (saw pics a long time ago) the piece looks like it has been completely melted from the form of the thing itself, if that makes any sense?

eeban - June 11, 2007 08:56 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (chris sarns @ Jun 7 2007, 06:26 AM)
eeban:

The Chiefs say they pulled everybody back 600' around 3:00 or 3:30.

How come your cousin was still fighting the fires in WTC 6 when WTC 7 collapsed?

Craig Bartmer said he had to run too, but he heard explosions.

There is a conflict of accounts between the firefighters and the fire Chiefs.

dude, that's really weird.. but then again, 9/11 was a day of weirdness :blink: :angry:



Taillow - June 12, 2007 04:02 AM (GMT)
If the metal sample that he has was molten, then how did he get it? With a ladle? You can check, but my bet is that it was very hot when he got it, but still solid. And that doesn't really answer the question of whether it's steel anyway.

His account seems to track the OCT pretty closely - except for his statement that he wasn't informed in advance that WTC7 would be collapsing. Can you find out where he was working at the time (chris sarns: he doesn't say he was working in WTC6)?

And how well do you know him? Could he be one of the perps? His story sounds like it.

eeban - June 12, 2007 08:51 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Taillow @ Jun 11 2007, 11:02 PM)
If the metal sample that he has was molten, then how did he get it? With a ladle? You can check, but my bet is that it was very hot when he got it, but still solid. And that doesn't really answer the question of whether it's steel anyway.

His account seems to track the OCT pretty closely - except for his statement that he wasn't informed in advance that WTC7 would be collapsing. Can you find out where he was working at the time (chris sarns: he doesn't say he was working in WTC6)?

And how well do you know him? Could he be one of the perps? His story sounds like it.

The sample must have been cold and hard when he retrieved it ofcourse.
He worked on the site for some time, and claims it's molten steel... neither one of us are experts, so that's the best answer I can give u..

U shouldn't have to question how well I know him when I say that he's my cousin..




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