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Title: Whisper of Caladan Seas...
Description: How was this received upon release?


Kwisatz Faramir - September 11, 2005 07:22 PM (GMT)
This short story was the first installment in the "new Dune" universe in 1999. How did fans react to this story?

Was there a lot of expectations?
Is it as bad as the other prequels?
And is it true that BH didn't co-write?

Edric - September 11, 2005 07:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kwisatz Faramir @ Sep 11 2005, 08:22 PM)
And is it true that BH didn't co-write?

Yes that's true Brian had nothing to do with the story.

I only just read it a couple of weeks ago when I bought The Road To Dune and it is pretty good.

ATyrantSpeaks - September 12, 2005 04:38 AM (GMT)
I liked it, but I didn't discover Dune till 2003 so I don't know how it was received.

Edric - September 12, 2005 02:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ATyrantSpeaks @ Sep 12 2005, 05:38 AM)
I didn't discover Dune till 2003 so I don't know how it was received.

I don't think it was very well advertised because most people didn't find out about it until after it had been released, plus most Dune fans still haven't read it. I guess it just sort of slipped under everyones radar so to speak.

BtwJust moved this Topic out of the House Forum.

Edric - March 3, 2006 12:13 AM (GMT)
I've managed to lay my hands on a digital copy of this story, it's one of KJA's better works and is a good read. It's set durring the Harkonnen attack on Arrakeen and follows the fate of several Atreides soldiers.

Planetologist Umma Kynes - October 10, 2006 12:46 AM (GMT)
I finally read it :r I thought it was by far the best of the dune short stories by BH & KJA.

The ending was interesting...I won't spoil it for anyone. 0_o

Edric - October 10, 2006 07:06 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Planetologist Umma Kynes @ Oct 10 2006, 01:46 AM)
I finally read it :r I thought it was by far the best of the dune short stories by BH & KJA.

The ending was interesting...I won't spoil it for anyone. 0_o

It was such a promising start for the "New Dune", it's just such a shame the quality couldn't be maintained.

Edric - April 24, 2007 11:00 PM (GMT)
I just found this online excerpt of the short story over at the MSN Landsraad Group for those who haven't read it . . .

Link to the original source: THE LANDSRAAD

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Elto thought of his first view of the sweeping wastelands of open desert beyond the Shield Wall. His initial impression had been nostalgic, already homesick. The undulating panorama of sand dunes had been so similar to the even patterns of waves on the sea . . . but without any drop of water.

Issuing a strange cry, Deegan rushed to the nearest wall and clawed at the stone, kicking and trying to dig his way out with bare hands. He tore his nails and pounded with his fists, leaving bloody patterns on the unforgiving rock, until two of the other soldiers dragged him away and wrestled him to the ground. One man, a hand-to-hand combat specialist who had trained at the famous Swordmaster School on Ginaz, ripped open one of their remaining medpaks and dosed Deegan with a strong sedative.

The pounding artillery continued. Won't they ever stop? He felt an odd, pain-wracked sensation that he might be sealed in this hellhole for eternity, trapped in a blip of time from which there was no escape. Then he heard his uncle's voice. . . .

Kneeling beside the claustrophobic gunner, Uncle Hoh leaned close, whispering, "Listen. Let me tell you a story." It was a private tale intended only for Deegan's ears, though the intensity in the Jongleur's voice seemed to shimmer in the thick air. Elto caught a few words about a sleeping princess, a hidden and magical city, a lost hero from the Butlerian Jihad who would slumber in oblivion until he rose again to save the Imperium. By the time Hoh Vitt completed his tale, Deegan had fallen into a stupor.

Elto suspected what his uncle had done, that he had disregarded the ancient prohibition against using the powers of planet Jongleur, ancestral home of the Vitt family. In the low light their gazes met, and Uncle Hoh's eyes were bright and fearful. As he'd been conditioned to do since childhood, Elto tried not to think about it, for he too was a Vitt.

Instead, he visualized the events that had occurred only hours before. . . .

SandChigger - April 25, 2007 01:43 AM (GMT)
It's in The Road to Dune, right?

I haven't read it yet. (Or Spice Planet...but never mind.)

This

"Elto caught a few words about a sleeping princess, a hidden and magical city, a lost hero from the Butlerian Jihad who would slumber in oblivion until he rose again to save the Imperium."

is a bit worrying, though.

A hint as to how Vorian will return in Sandworms? x/

Edric - April 25, 2007 01:54 AM (GMT)
Yep it's in The Road To Dune.

I think it's a really good story, bit of a corny ending but for KJA this is a story that's hard to fault.

Hypatia - April 25, 2007 02:12 AM (GMT)
Sorry, I didn't care for it. Yes, there is a lot of mysticism in the Dune series, but in a science fiction story, everything must have a plausible scientific reason for happening. I just can't see the events in this story as being borne of anything but magic, and that's what spoils it. As a standalone story unconnected to the Dune universe, it woudn't be bad. But it just is not consistent with the established science of the Dune series (or any other science that makes any sense).

Edric - April 25, 2007 02:28 AM (GMT)
Your right Hyp, that's what spoilt the ending for me, but until that point it was a good story.

If there was an attempt to explain the . . . well unexplainable (trying not to post spoilers) that would be good. I think the story as a whole including the ending would have made more sense if it was a story told by a Fremen to other Fremen then the ending wouldn't have seemed so wierd and would have an explanation in Fremen superstision and mysticism (One of those "camp fire" stories).

SandChigger - April 25, 2007 02:36 AM (GMT)
Oh...so my hunch about what

"he had disregarded the ancient prohibition against using the powers of planet Jongleur"

might entail was pretty much on the mark, eh? (sigh)

I'll try to have a read of it tonight when I get home. Although this little bit of info will no doubt cloud my perceptions.... :P

Edric - April 25, 2007 02:39 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SandChigger @ Apr 25 2007, 03:36 AM)
"he had disregarded the ancient prohibition against using the powers of planet Jongleur"

might entail was pretty much on the mark, eh? (sigh)

Yeah that's right but when you get to the end of the story you might end up thinking the Jongleur's powers came from the same wacked out dimension Norma Cevna got hers from. :no:

SandChigger - April 25, 2007 02:48 AM (GMT)
TJDGI. :)


Somebody write Dan Simmons and have him send the Shrike to work some whoopa$$ on 'em!

B)

Crysknife - April 25, 2007 04:22 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
Somebody write Dan Simmons and have him send the Shrike to work some whoopa$$ on 'em!


Eeew, bloody pointy spikes for everyone!! I don't know about the Shrike, but I have some contacts that would presumably work for much less. :yes:

SandChigger - May 4, 2007 04:53 PM (GMT)
The story came up yesterday or the day before over on the official board and I tagged this onto the end of a comment:

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Byron...I read somewhere that Kevin wrote the story all by himself, that Brian didn't have anything to do with it. Any truth in that?


He's just responded with

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Kevin wrote nothing by himself as far as the Duniverse goes. Brian and he collaborated on every aspect.


So...what's the scoop? Edric, where did you read that Brian hadn't contributed to it?

Edric - May 4, 2007 05:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SandChigger @ May 4 2007, 05:53 PM)
So...what's the scoop? Edric, where did you read that Brian hadn't contributed to it?

No scoop, just one of those things I read on one of the messageboards and I believed it. At the time new Dune books were still "pie in the sky", Brian hadn't said anything and as far as I can tell the book DOGGED PERSISTANCE where the short story featured for the first time made a hoop about "Kevin's short story", (No mention of Brian). I don't have the book so I can't check to see if BH was credited but advertising wise I never saw his name mentioned.

SandChigger - May 4, 2007 05:19 PM (GMT)
OK, thanks. Was just wondering.

Obviously the "official line" is different now.

(But the way Kevin likes to take credit for everything that gets done...who knows. :) )

Edric - May 4, 2007 05:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SandChigger @ May 4 2007, 06:19 PM)
(But the way Kevin likes to take credit for everything that gets done...who knows. :) )

I've read a couple of interviews where Kevin says he's always been a fan of Dune and the writing new Dune books has been a longtime ambition for him. Now that he is maybe it's just swollen his ego?




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