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MythologyMaster - February 28, 2006 01:47 AM (GMT)
I pesonally think four

Cepheus - February 28, 2006 02:23 AM (GMT)
I think the biped dragons are more bred for speed, but at the cost of durability. The quadrepeds seem to be more built for strength, like the green and brown dragons.

MythologyMaster - February 28, 2006 02:57 AM (GMT)
love your banner but the only quadrapeds without speed are brown and green

Katana - February 28, 2006 04:45 AM (GMT)
Agree to which I have understood in the world of the Dragon booster, the dragoons bipedals have a greater speed. But I really do not believe that the number of legs can influences in something.

SheWulph - February 28, 2006 06:35 AM (GMT)
Biped dragons are faster. And in games like race for power they get less stuck in corners.
Well blue dragons and Beua are also fast.
But red and purple are the fastest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hyperpsychomaniac - February 28, 2006 11:07 AM (GMT)
Well... lets see... quadrapedal dragons would be able to gain speed from both thier back legs and front, while bipedal dragons would only be able to draw power from thier back. However, the quadrepedal dragons would need extra muscle mass in thier front legs, whereas the bipedal don't need much, as their front legs do nothing towards increasing thier speed... :P

I'm not sure whether it would depend on whether they have two or four, they're just designed to reach said high speed differently. ...except for green and brown dragons. :P

SheWulph - February 28, 2006 04:59 PM (GMT)
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However, the quadrepedal dragons would need extra muscle mass in thier front legs, whereas the bipedal don't need much, as their front legs do nothing towards increasing thier speed...


The bipedal has less muscle mass, that means less weight, that means less energy burn, that means more energy avalable, that means faster.

DragonBooster500 - February 28, 2006 07:05 PM (GMT)
Well here's my information.

Quadraped Dragons (excluding green+brown class)
Normal Racing Speed:171mph.
Top Racing Speed:193mph.
Anatomy:
1) Head: Generally large. Rectangular shape.
2) Body: Resembles a horse in most respects. Chest area is squarish and thick but main body is narrow. Shoulders are small. Hindquarters are large. Stance is like a crocodile or lizard but legs are under the body.
3) Legs: Forelegs are thin yet strong. Hindlegs are thick and powerful and act as the dragon's "engine". Feet are narrow w/thick claws that grip ground for xtra traction.
4) Tail: Thick base then narrow and whiplike. Acts as counterbalance for head+neck.
5) Neck: Short but supple. Arched in an "S" shape like a snake.
Image:
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Biped Dragons
Normal Racing Speed:181mph.
Top Speed:193mph.
Anatomy:
1) Head: Generally small. Rectangular or square shape.
2) Body: Resembles an ostrich or emu. Chest area is squarish. Main body starts thick but narrows at the hips. Small shoulders. Large, wide hips. Stance is wide and birdlike.
3) Legs: Long and narrow. Forelegs are short and held close to body. Hindlegs are long and thin for speed. Feet are wide for weight displacement.
4)Tail: Long and stiff. Also acts as counterbalence.
5) Neck: Long and supple. Has a distinct curve.
Image:
user posted image

This data shows that Biped and Quadriped dragons do have a small difference in normal speeds but their top speeds are alike. Speed is more or less determined by the dragon's body structure not necessarily its type.

When it comes to dragons, the number of legs is not a good factor to rule out opinions with. To truly rule out which type of dragon is better you need to use more factors such as distance, draconium influence, gear used, etc.

I prefer quadriped dragons myself.

I hope this information helps people out with their opinions.

Cepheus - February 28, 2006 08:53 PM (GMT)
The way I see it, the bipeds have more muscle mass in the hind area, giving them more of a thrust, but the quadrapedal dragons seem to have more evenly distributed muscle mass, probably for endurance.

As DragonBooster500 said, the chest area is large, indicating a large heart and lungs for maximum endurance, but the chest cavity seems larger on the quardrapedal dragons seems a bit larger, so maybe they have more endurance?

Hunter - March 1, 2006 01:10 AM (GMT)
The way I see it,is that it really depends. Wyldfyr (2 legs) is incredably fast,said so by the chars of the show. But Beau (4 legged) is even faster, because lets see, He's the ONLY Star Dragon left. He's the Black and Gold Dragon of Legend. He's, well, bred by Connor Penn.Duh! :P And well, he's fast and goes even faster when Artha relaxes and concentrates on releasing the dragon. So Beau goes all like vortex velocity. So, i really ccan't decide,if i dont count Beau or Wyldfyr, i'm stumped. :huh: :blink: But i guess i'll have to say quadrapedal dragons are faster. (4 legs)

Cepheus - March 1, 2006 01:17 AM (GMT)
The reason Beau is the fastest is because he is the one and only gold star dragon left. He usually doesn't race any faster than Wyldfyr. If anything, his normal speed should be slower unless Artha is in one of his "Release the Dragon" moments. But remember, Beau's the dragon of legend and therefore can do a lot other dragons can't do. (He holds up mag blasts when he has no energy left, knocks over dragons more than four times his size and all this other great and good stuff.)

Think about the races that Artha loses. (Not wins.) Who is always in first and second? Kitt and that bipedal red and blue, and I think the white is in third. Just the way the bipeds and quadrapeds are built, the bipeds have more muscle in the hindquarters and the quadrapeds have more evenly distributed muscle mass.

It may also only depend upon the bone color. Beau could go up to vortex velocity because of all the power he has because of his bone color! Wyldfyr and Phorrj are so fast because of their bone color! Just a thought... :P

MythologyMaster - March 1, 2006 01:54 AM (GMT)
speaking of bone color how many of the 13 ibeileave colors have for legs and how many are bipeds
gold: quadriped
blue: quadriped
red: biped
black: quad
green: quad
light green: bi
light blue: quad
grey: quad
orange: bi
purple: bi
turquoise: bi i think
white: quad
brown quad
Now if you exclude brown,green, and gold that leaves five quads and and five bipeds Equal ........................................that ruiened the point i was going to make
NOTE: brown, green, and gold are excluded because they don,t race or are legendary
Happy Mardi Gras :D

Cepheus - March 1, 2006 01:57 AM (GMT)
Happy Mardi Gras to you, too! :D

I think that blue dragons could be both bipedal and quadrapedal. Both bipeds and quadrapeds answered the call of the Saumurox, and he was only after the blue dragons.

The Furox - March 1, 2006 02:34 AM (GMT)
And there's Tyrannis Pax, who by all indications is a bipedal gold dragon. There's also a red and blue bipedal dragon and a dark green one as well that we see in the background fairly often. It's not really clear what their bone color is. The correlation between bone color and being 2 or 4 legged seems a bit blurry, doesn't it. :)

Neemers - March 1, 2006 03:37 AM (GMT)
There's more to take into consideration than whether a dragon has two or four legs. Taking examples from real life:

Cheetahs are the fastest animals on the planet. The have long legs and suppliment this with a very flexible spine to lengthen their strides. If you look at pictures of a running cheetah there are points where they're stretched flat out and points where they're almost doubled over on themselves. Decepshun runs somewhat like this.

The fastest dinosaurs were bipeds. To the best of my knowledge no dinosaurs had the supremely springy elastic spine found in cheetahs and the extra stride length from the longer legs gave them the edge they needed.

There are different kinds of muscle fibers that allow for different speeds. Large fast-twitch fibers are built for sprinting and quick movement. Smaller slow-twitch fibers can work for much longer periods of time and are good for tasks that take more endurance like marathons. What kind of muscle a dragon has affects how long and fast it can run.

The attachment point of muscles to bone also makes a difference. Animals with little muscle in their lower legs (because most are attached higher along the leg) tend to run faster because they don't have to contract the muscle as far to move the leg. Note how the cheetah, the fastest cat, is far rangier than any other cats.

Lung capability and blood vessel networks also matter. It doesn't matter how good the muscle systems are if they don't get the oxygen they need to work. You can't see the circulatory system in the cartoon but those with large, well-sprung ribcages are the most likely to be able to get much-needed oxygen to the muscles.

Traction matters somewhat, but since all the fast dragons have non-retractable claws I won't go into that.

Lack of extra weight that slows them down also matters. Note the smallish head on the cheetah and the fastest dinosaurs.

Counterbalance matters in tight turns. The cheetah (and other animals no so well known for their speed) uses it to help maintain its balance in sudden spins to chase its prey.

There are several other systems I can think of for speed, but none that would work for vertebrate animals.

Altogether, the only thing Beau has working for him is a well-sprung ribcage. He should be one of the slowest dragons on the track.

Drakkus - March 1, 2006 05:06 AM (GMT)
I'm going to say that a dragon with four legs is probably faster. Look at the way real nature has designed animals there are very few animals that walk on two legs because four legs is a better design for running and most animals have to run away from predators and all those predators have four legs as well.

So I say four.

Neemers - March 1, 2006 06:23 AM (GMT)
Ostriches can run at 40mph for 30 minutes.

Cheetahs can run at 70 mph, but they can hold this speed for less than a minute.

Pronghorns can run at around 60 mph for an intermediate amount of time.

Kangaroos can run at 30 mph.

Dromiceiomimus, the fastest dinosaur, could run at around 40 mph. It was a two-legged dinosaur.

The fastest four-legged dinosaur (Ceratopsians) I could find ran at around 15 mph.

Most horses can run at around 40 mph.

Make of this what you will.

ShadowCat - March 1, 2006 06:25 AM (GMT)
I don't think legs have much to do with it. But I'd have to do some research to be sure and I don't feel like doing that right now.

SilverDragon - March 2, 2006 09:01 AM (GMT)
I think two legs would be faster. So why not breed only two legged dragons?

Well, people generally favour one type of strategy: offensive or defensive. Offensive strategists favour all out power and attack over building up defences and such. They may use things like stun gear, disrupting moves or ocasional defensive moves, but they always hammer away at the enemy until one or the other falls. Their weakness is that they can often fall victim to traps set by the opponent. In Dragon Booster, these people would use bipedal dragons.

Defensive people, on the other hand, like to set up their defenses before they launch an assault. Their weakness is that they can often take too long to set up a wall, and can be taken out by a fast assault. In Dragon Booster, they would use quadrapedal dragons.

So, bipeds are built for simply speed and all out attack, while quadrapeds are bred for endurance and a wide range of strategies.

Sarah Frost - March 2, 2006 09:19 AM (GMT)
It seems weird that humans-on-saddles don't seem to be riding like jockeys do on our world; I'm no physicist, but having something projecting ABOVE a running animal is (iirc) going to slow it down some. Eg. the jockey here, his body behind the horse's neck rather than sitting way above it.

3Dpete - March 2, 2006 11:32 PM (GMT)
I think dragon racers sit high because it's a much more steady ride when connected to the head, rather than the body. Notice when you run (or even walk) your point of view doesn't bob up and down as much as your body actually does. That's because from your feet, to your neck, you're compensating so your eyes remain fairly level. If the racer was saddled to the body, she'd be bouncing up and down all over the place. They're not just racing purely for speed, they're also battling, using gear, jousting, etc. so this is pretty important.

Although, it sure would be windy up there while cruising at 200 mph! :lol:


As for bipeds versus quadrupeds, there really hasn't been a difference in speed established. I belive the only real distinction has been that bull class dragons are slower on average.

The Furox - March 2, 2006 11:59 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (3Dpete @ Mar 2 2006, 03:32 PM)
I think dragon racers sit high because it's a much more steady ride when connected to the head, rather than the body.

That was my guess as well, plus I think it also frees up space for gear. Thruster gear (and aero gear) is usually attached to the shoulders, so you wouldn't want to be sitting next to the flame coming out of those. :D

Dragons apparently have fairly sturdy neck muscles, don't they. Beau's neck looks strong enough to support Artha plus the saddle, but Fracshun looks like he'd be hurting even given how small Lance is since his neck is so thin. I guess the muscles are stronger than they look. ;)

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Although, it sure would be windy up there while cruising at 200 mph!  :lol:

Yeah, tell me about it! I've been on roller coasters that go over 100 MPH (and one that goes 120) and the breeze alone is intense. Everyone has a bad hair day as soon as they step off those rides. :)

the power of ICE - March 3, 2006 12:19 AM (GMT)
heheheh

They must put bucket loads of gell in their hair. :P :D

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Dragons apparently have fairly sturdy neck muscles, don't they. Beau's neck looks strong enough to support Artha plus the saddle, but Fracshun looks like he'd be hurting even given how small Lance is since his neck is so thin. I guess the muscles are stronger than they look.


Well, you never see the saddle actually on the dragons head it's hovering just off it. My theroy is that the saddle and the dragon have a sort of...magnetic reaction. Not that it pulls, but more like a positive charge to positive charge, hovering on their head. Which the slight magnetic feild powers the saddle's electronics and so on.

Mari - March 3, 2006 12:34 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (3Dpete @ Mar 3 2006, 09:32 AM)
I belive the only real distinction has been that bull class dragons are slower on average.

Does that include Earth-Class and Sonic-Class as well? They are of the same build.....

The Furox - March 3, 2006 12:46 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (the power of ICE @ Mar 2 2006, 04:19 PM)
My theroy is that the saddle and the dragon have a sort of...magnetic reaction.  Not that it pulls, but more like a positive charge to positive charge, hovering on their head.

The gear hovers but it's also locked in place. But even when hovering, the weight still has to go somewhere. When you use the same poles of a magnetic to suspend one magnet over another, gravity still causes the weight of the one on top to press down on the bottom one. So a dragon's neck would still have to support all the weight of the saddle plus the rider.

Katana - March 3, 2006 03:47 AM (GMT)
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Ostriches can run at 40mph for 30 minutes.

Cheetahs can run at 70 mph, but they can hold this speed for less than a minute.

Pronghorns can run at around 60 mph for an intermediate amount of time.

Kangaroos can run at 30 mph.

Dromiceiomimus, the fastest dinosaur, could run at around 40 mph. It was a two-legged dinosaur.

The fastest four-legged dinosaur (Ceratopsians) I could find ran at around 15 mph.

Most horses can run at around 40 mph.

Make of this what you will.


a point

The energetico metabolism of the different kingdoms animals is very variable, if it assumes that the dragoons are reptiles, we must base the comparisons with other reptiles (not with mamiferos or birds) and the near thing that we have so far they are the dinosaurios.

Nemi the Nen - March 3, 2006 05:36 AM (GMT)
Well, leg structure would also have to come into it. It's one of the reasons why people are bringing up the idea that T-rex was a scavenger, because of it's legs.

See, for an animal (not sure if it's only bipeds) if the 'shin' bones are longer than the femer it's a good runner, this is because of the amount of push it gets, the length of stride, and how much of the major musscle groups it has to move.

Thighs+butt=powerful energy eaters
claves+ankels+foot=spingy energy conservation

Also, respitory system comes into it. I belive dragons have a bird like system, allowing them to extract oxygen when both inhaling and exhaling.

And horses! can't forget horses. They automatically breath when galloping, the movement of their forequarters expands and contracts their lungs, saving energy.

Also, engry conservation. Kangaroos with their 30mph? They are obviously hopping, and use les energy at normal full speed (not sprinting) than they do walking, because they are moving less.

And ofcourse friction. Can't forget that. That's air resistance, surface contact, etc.


I think Bipeds are fastest usually, with their longer stride. Human running is two beat, and we are completely off the ground once each beat. Bipedal dragons are simular in this respect, meaning they get 1/3 to 1/2 full propulsion from the thruster gear. (feet on the ground means friction, minimul friction is only air resistance)

I think quadropeds have more endurance, possibly better areo-dynamics. And can't take advantage of thruster gear as much. Looking at how a horse gallops a quadroped would probably only take maximum use of thruster gear one beat out of five (gallop is 4 beats and then a moment of suspension when the body does not touch the ground)

BUT! Though slower, they do have more endurance, and they probably take spills and hits better, allowing the dragon and rider to continue the race instead of being out. Notice Kitt, despite being one of the best racers in the city, does not compete in the Gauntlet. Why? Because one hit and she's done.




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