Episode Discussion Topic.

so i can see than anyone has written in here, so i'll start.
i think that this is my favourote episode. I love the way Artha reveals himself to Kitt, and how she reacts, also i loved the Furox (lovely dragon!!).

i know that this is an old episode, but it is still worthy to watch

Agreed. The furox was an awsome dragon, very pretty! Here's Furox's photobucket album, just so people know it's here:

http://photobucket.com/albums/y222/furox/Furox/

Well, yeah. I did love this episode. It was where they finally introduced us to the bone-marks they talked so much about on the official site.

Yes, this is a great episode. I believe the reason there was no discussion on this one here was that the few of us who were online talking about the show back then were using the old tvtome.com forum. That was back around Feb of this year before LightningFlash created this forum. We had a few postings there about this episode, but unfortunately all those were lost when tv.com took over tvtome.com. Anyway, let's have a little discussion here:

Of the early season 1 episodes, this is about my favorite overall. And most other people feel the same way as shown in a poll we took (which you can still vote in if you want):

Favorite Season 1 Episode Poll

Wyldfyr gets featured pretty well in this episode, and if memory serves, this is the first episode where a dragon other than Beau has any kind of facial expression. This was long overdue in my opinion. Though I still think they missed an opportunity here: when Artha reveals he's the Dragon Booster to Kitt, that should have gotten some kind of reaction from Wyldfyr. After all, when was the last time she saw a human and a dragon transform right before her eyes? We should have seen her standing behind Kitt with a :blink: expression on her face. As it is, they just have her staring off into space which looks really odd and unrealistic at that point.

Phorrj becoming the Furox was great. What a cool looking dragon! And the animation on the Furox was just excellent. When you think about it, they invested a lot of effort in creating a great computer model for the Furox but only got to use it for one episode. I'm glad they did though, because the Furox looked great.

The animation, camera work and music through the whole "evading the traps" thing was great, too. I still love watching that sequence.

And I believe this episode is also Fracshun's first appearance as well. I was a little disappointed that they didn't fill in any of his background at all, but there's only 22 minutes in an episode and I guess the time wasn't there.

The only thing that bugged me about this episode was how Pyrrah and Moordryd appear out of nowhere once Kitt reaches the box with the bone mark in it. I know it could be argued that they were trailing Kitt all along just out of camera range, but that doesn't explain how they both managed to get inside ahead of Artha and Beau. And if they were right there watching Kitt, wouldn't they have seen Artha transform?

Plus there's the issue of how Moordryd managed to get out of the pit he jumped into. Apparently, there was a secret exit down there, but it just doesn't feel right when you watch that.

But two rough spots on an otherwise fun episode isn't too bad. I still like this one a lot myself.

Holy Magna Draconis, you really look very carefully in the episodes. If you have never posted this, I would never thought of that, but you are quite right, I mean, How many times has Wyldfyr had a bright golden light in front of her face?? I would even react to that. B) Another interesting point that you mention, How on earth Moordryd and Pyrrah pass Artha and Beau???? and as you say, if they were following Kitt into the cave, Why they didn't see Artha transform???? kind of weird, but still this is my favourite episode.

Also, I loved the Furox. The bright colours and the spikes...IT WAS INCREDIBLE!!!, definetively this master bone is so much better that the Samurox..(no offense, but this is only my opinion :lol: )

Wait until you read some of my other 800+ postings here... :blink: :D

Yeah, in season 1 it's almost like they hadn't decided how much personality the other dragons should express. They had Beau down pretty good from the start, but most of the other dragons just stare blankly off into space all the time. It's almost like they felt it would draw attention away from Artha and Beau, who they clearly wanted to focus on and have a lot of character development early on. Or they just didn't have the budget to put the extra animation in. In any event, season 2 is a real improvement in this area, though they still could do more.

They clearly wanted to move the story along at that point and not dwell on that detail. To some degree, I'm sympathetic to the fact that there's only 22 minutes in an episode and to add in scenes that showed how Pyrrah and Moordryd got in there would mean deleting scenes elsewhere, but I find appearing/disappearing characters to be a very noticeable plot hole. It's like in "Three Times A Hero": once Kitt is kidnapped, Wyldfyr is totally forgotten for the rest of the episode. (Which unfortunately, happens again in "Darkness Falls".)

Me, too. Pink-ish red with yellow and a sort of lavender color underside, plus a spiky tail and a wicked set of teeth. What a look! I like the Prophets as well for their intense color scheme. So much better than the green-ish brown dragons you see everywhere else. ;)

I've been reading some of your posts in some chapters..and you must be very patient to write al that!! also i might think that you have seen the epis more than once....cause i've seen this chapter twice and I would never ever think about that

I think he did appear in "Opposing Force" as well...

I agree with all. It was a very nicely done episode, with its flaws, true, but other than that, lovely. (And the A/K. I'm a stubborn shipper. :P The moment I see the mushy stuff, and ZOOM! I'm there, no matter how bad the relationship may or may not be. :P)

One day i'm hoping to see someone fall in love, also dragons, but in the first chapter, the choosing part 1, when Kitt was launched from Beau, and landed on Artha, i had the idea (after watching that part) that Artha liked Kitt, but on the other epis, i haven't seen to much A/K action, you know, as kissing accidentally and all that stuff.

Well, I type pretty fast. :) And writing commentaries like these is pretty similar to technical writing (which I do a lot of), so this kind of stuff is easy for me to crank out.

Yeah, I've watched this one just a few times. :rolleyes: But the show's been on longer here (I've been watching since January) and there was a big long period where there weren't any new episodes airing, so there wasn't much to do but re-watch my favorite episodes.

But I did notice things like Pyrrah and Moordryd appearing out of nowhere on the first viewing. That stuff is very glaring to me.

One little detail I didn't notice until subsequent viewings was how the rock Kitt uses to jam the gears of the machinery grows during the episode. When she picks it up off the ground, the rock is only a little bigger than her fist. And then later when she goes to pry the rock loose, it has grown and is now about the size of her head! They tried to sneak that one by us since a tiny rock wouldn't have jammed those gears so well, but Kitt couldn't pick up and make such an accurate one-handed toss with a big rock. It's also fairly improbable that jamming one set of gears would shut down all the traps in there, but oh well. At some point you have to say it's just a cartoon. :P And I wouldn't want them to dwell on details like this too much and take away screen time for the Furox. That's clearly more important. B)

You're right. Now that I think about it, we briefly get to see Lance in the saddle with Fracshun when he's on the roof top with Parm in act 1. It's still a little disappointing we didn't get to see Fracshun until then. After all, where was Fracshun when the Penn residence was going up in flames in episode 1? It's certainly understandable that there just wasn't enough time in the script to introduce any more characters. But it would have been nice if they could have filled in a little background for Fracshun when he does finally appear.

Hey can anyone get me screencaps of the whole episode for me? :( I've only seen the really cool ones of the dragon on Dragon-city.org.
*Kicks herself for not remembering how to spell the cool dragons name*ow i kick hard ;)

You mean the really cool, evil, attack everyone in sight cool dragon? That's the Furox on Phorrj.

Do you mean the Furox dragon??? *Phorrj with the bonemark*

ok...Cepheus won the post..T_T

Hey can anyone get screens for Fanning the Flames? I've searched the net at least 50 times and still haven't found any <_< :(

I noticed the rock thing and Moordryd and Pyrrah appearing out of nowhere as well, which is odd because I generally don't notice stuff like that. It was still a great episode and one of my favourites.

This is probably a bit late but I've got caps up here. They're only in a zip archive at the moment but I'm in the process of putting up galleries.

Nashy-Bear also has some here.

Correct me if I am wrong but in this episode Moordryd asks his father Word why he didn't choose him to retrieve the bone-mark and Word replies something along the lines of, "No, it's too dangerous."
That strikes me as strange because Word doesn't usually express any kind of 'concern' for Moordryd or his safety. Come on, I can't be the only one who finds that... a bit... *can't find the proper word* Well, it's weird, because everyone talks about how badly Word treats Moordryd. (At least before The Return of Drakkus)
Well, I just had to ask anyway. It was bugging me. :plot:
And yeah, Pyrrah and Moordryd popping out of the blue... I had to supress the urge to roll my eyes. <_<

Perhaps Word meant, "no, it's too dangerous. You'll get hurt or killed, and then I'll have to find someone else to do my evil deeds. I shouldn't waste you such a mission that I'm sure you'll fail at." Or something like that.

At least Pyrrah had her dragon, I didn't see Decepshun anywhere. How did Moordryd even get there? Did he run? :P

I think that's pretty much it, too. For this mission, Word had plenty of people he could con into doing his dirty work. He didn't want to waste Moordryd on something others could take the risk for. Though maybe there's a slight bit of the concern we see Word express for Moordryd in season 3 starting to show up, too.

Guess he was just out of a little stroll all by himself. :) And Parmon was watching the entrance, so how come he didn't see Pyrrah or Moordryd enter?

It's too bad the episodes have a strict time limit. I'm sure they skipped over those bits to have time for other things.

Maybe they entered the Scale Citedel before the stable gang arrived.
Yes, Pyrrah and Moordryd together in a dark place, kis- *slaps herself*

I also wondered about this 'It's too dangerous' quote. Maybe it was something like 'It's so dangerous out there that you would fail me anyway so why to bother? Oh, and by the way, I love you and don't want you to get killed son' and Moordryd just didn't catch the last part.

But to me Word was actually mocking Moordryd, just look how Word smiled to his son when he announced that the challenge was open to everyone. 'Ooooh, it's too dangerous, you're not good enough to get it, OH COME ON GO THERE AND FETCH IT FOR ME, PROVE YOUR WORTH!"
So maybe it was suppoused to be a provocation, to make Moordryd go to his limits. And in the end it worked, Word only didn't expect his loyal son to lie to him.

I hadn't thought of it that way, but it could be the case. It could be it was supposed to be a challenge to his son as you say. Also, since Word berates Moordryd so much, he may be doing that out of habit as well. He's already said that Moordryd doesn't live up to his ideals, so maybe he's so used to being disappointed by Moordryd's failures that he doesn't want him to even bother this time. So much love in that family. ;)

Hmm. When Artha reveals to Kitt that he's the Dragon Booster she reacts... well, not too well (Come on, show of hands, who would have reacted that way as well?). I didn't see what she did exactly. I know she hit him because he went flying, but did she shove him or punch him?

Maybe Wyldfyr knew, explaining the non reaction.

^_^ It would've been funny had she punched him, but I think it was a shove.

She could, who knows how much dragons tell each other? :P

Yep, it was a shove.

Yeah, maybe Beau uses that as his pick-up line. :)

Seriously though, if the Wyldfyr's lack of reaction is due to Beau having previous told her he's the Dragon of Legend, then the writers really should have clued us in to that. There are many things that are within the realm of possibility, but at some point it becomes unfair to the audience when the writers don't disclose things like this. It's why "retroactive continuity" is generally disliked by fans. Beau blabbing his secret identity to other dragons when Artha is trying to keep it a secret doesn't fit well.

I think it's a case of the writers feeling they don't need/want to develop personalities for the other dragons and therefore didn't think it important to include a reaction. We've all noticed that Wyldfyr does have a reaction in "When Opposites Attract", so maybe they've been listening to us. :)

better would be "Read us"

LOL


is this is the case then DRagons should show more personality

That's so funny!

Now this is when you can see Kitt at her best! Well, not being played and stuff, but you got to see Kitt's moves! She rules! ^_^

And Moordryd doesn't listen to Word and gets the Furox for himself! ^_^

Another funny thing is how Phistus and mMordrydd are standing together after their war in the previous episode. Wouldnt Phistus mistrust the Paynes now? Hes too willing to do the deeds. What happens to him in this episode anyhow? also, Pyrahh is bitter when talking to Kitt about Artha, when he just saved her brother in episode 3. kinda odd, but all in all a good episode.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! THERE WILL NEVER BE MOORDRYDXPYRRAH!!!! :eep: :eep: :eep: :eep: :eep: :eep:

Ah, that is actually true

Again, that is way more than true!

And pretty cute! ^_^ ^_^ ^_^

It might also be that Word secretly does care for Moordryd's safety, and would prefer to send a bunch of random street thugs to their certain likey doom than his son. Then again it could also be said that he distrusted Moordryd and was trying to prevent exactly what happened in Pride of the Hero; Moordryd using the Furox bonemark against him.

Furox is indeed the best dragon, after Beau. I find this episode okay. I love it too, when the Dragon Booster reveals himself as Artha Penn. I was angry, when Kitt was made a fool to go after the Furox. Artha should not have credited himself, in front of Kitt. It was not nice of him.

yo i feel you on that one the furox is preety drac but i def think T-pax is the coolest dragon after beau and yea artha was a goof to do that in front of kitt but as we see in later shows he is no longer as arogent as he was at the beginning

The original Furox, a seriously evil dragon, faced the original Beau. Seriously evil dragon.