I hate to sound all morbid, but I've been wondering 'bout this for while.

Can they be killed and if so how?

Even though the DB dragons seem to be very tough, they can be killed. They're strong, but not invincible. If they started to use their teeth and claws in fights, I'm sure they would start drawing blood. Falls would kill them and I bet if they were pummelled by mag-energy from another dragon again and again they could be killed. And Beau, after being tripped by the wraith in Damaged Goods, seemed pretty hurt. (I think so, I've only watched that eppie once.)

I doubt that there's anything preventing it from being possible, but I don't think it's going to happen. Even talk of death is pretty subdued in the show, an actual death, human or dragon would be far beyon the bounds of the show's young target audience. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen a dragon get hurt really. Not even that many examples of humans either. Mortis got some mag burns fiighting Drakkus, and there were Artha's nondescript abdominal injuries in Damaged Goods and that's about it.

I wasn't refering to the show.

See I'm working on a DB influenced fanfic and in it a black dragon and its rider who refuse to stand down even though all of its fellows have fallen, and gets hit by a reflected mag-blast, and I was just wondering if that would be enough.

Also could a normal human (one who hasn't had any contact with draconium) be harmed by mag energy?

Oh, in that case yes. Dragons are certainly mortal. I'm sure that if they regularly lived for thousands of years, dragons like libris wouldn't be such a big deal. Go ahead and make that a killing blow. It's your story.

I'll give you the go-ahead on mag energy too. It's been said that all humans have draconium in their bones from their food, the same way we get calcium and phosphorus. Those that don't ride a dragon regularly (Race Marshall Budge for instance, who happens to be afraid of them :rolleyes: ) have draconium in their bones, they just haven't developed its use at all. They don't have a draconium alignment, but can still be affected by mag energy.

Not only that, but we've seen mag energy affect numerous things that do not contain draconium (Boulders, pillars, etc.) so yes, non-racers don't gain any advantage against a deadly mag-bolt, and are likey to be even more vulnerable since they can't adequately defend themselves.

If you mean a human from another planet (with absolutely no draconium contact whatsoever), then they wouldn't be able to be magged or anything, and just might be electrocuted by the mag energy if it touches them. Otherwise it's like Elushun said. :)

Yeah I meant a person from another world

You seen Batman Forever? Chase Meridian is the one that gets blasted after she angers one of the black riders. My second question is how would she be treated back to health?

Also if a dragon was blasted to within an inch of its life would there be away to save that dragon?

Dragons are mortal, therefore they can be injured and killed if sufficiently injured. Dragons are also pretty tough creatures, so it would take a fair amount to kill one. A simple mag blast clearly won't do that since we see that happen plenty of times, but the mag-rip that Moordryd did in "When Opposites Attract" might well have killed Beau and Artha if Kitt hadn't stepped in. At least, that's what was sort of implied.

In theory, yes. After all, CPR has brought people back from a state where they were nearly dead (no heartbeat, no breathing). So if a severely injured dragon got the right medical attention quickly enough, then there's always a possibility it could be saved. Of course, it really depends on the type of injury. A severe injury that has already caused massive brain damage is a hopeless situation, but others might be recoverable.

Here's what I was planing;

A realy powerful mag-blast, but I might change it to a mag-rip in light of what you've said Furox, is aimed a a rider, but her dragon appears and puts herself in its path and gets hit instead. She's brought, as I said, to within an inch of her life as a result.

No pysical injuries, just the mag-attack.

That a savable situation?

I wouldn't make that change just yet. It's up in the air whether or not mag drains can be deadly. We've seen that dragons expess great physical exhaustion when they're drained of their mag energy, but it's yet to be stated that they can die from it. Even the Muhorta, best known for its ability to drain energy does not seem to be able to kill its victims via a mag drain. Word counted on Beau to be weakened, not dead, when he set the trap for DB in All is not Lost and it that same episode he fell pray to it and lived as well. From that it appears that either the Muhorta loses interest once all the energy is drained, or mag drains can't kill. Just my take though, it's still your decision.

Well obviously dragons can be killed other wise people wouldnt be afraid of my type would they? :plot: Anyway as for mag drains or mag rips I bet that it depends on the skill of the weilder and how much damage he wants to do. I wouldnt want a pissed off Armageadon attacking my dragons, no sir-ee.

The one who is inflicting the map-rip/blast is my version of the Shadow Booster, and as he says himself, "his mag power is seconded only by the Lord that he serves"

And the Muhorta may not *want* to kill its victims either for the same reason that vampire bats don't want to kill you, they just want some of your blood. The Muhorta is better off letting you go so you can recover and perhaps it can feed off you again in the future. If you're dead, it can't feed off you again.

How deadly a mag-rip can be is uncertain as well. Though given how much pain is obviously caused and the very weakened condition it left Artha and Beau, it's not hard to imagine it could be fatal.

Point taken.

Now, Furox, I've described the situation that I'm planning, in your opinoin is it a savable situation?

By the way, thank-you all for helping me with this, I apriciate it.

And once I start writing the fic I will let you all know, and if you want, post it here as well as ff.net.

Based on what we've seen in the show, I honestly think you could have it go either way. The information about mag-rips being fatal or not is inconclusive, so as the author you could have it go either way depending on the story you're trying to tell. For example, if your story is a tragedy, then have it be fatal. Otherwise, you could make it a savable situation. Personally, I'd go for a savable situation since I don't want to see a dragon die, but that's just me. ;)

Well then your in luck, that paticular dragoness DOES survive :dance: ... however, same can't be said for the black dragon and its rider that tries to enslave her.

Anyway

Thanks again for the help, I've got my synopsis finished... now all I gotta do is wait 'til my beta reader understands the general gist of the DB world before we can really knuckle down and get to work :mellow:

Are you planning to write a fic? :unsure:

If so, that's one spoiler already, you know? :)

Ummm...

*swings a silver pendant in front of your eyes*

You are getting very sleepy. When you wake up you will not remember what I sain in my previous post.

Sounds like it will be good. It's always neat to see DB world/rules expanded a little from what is known to be absolute. I'm looking forward to reading it. :D

So that means that you want me to post it here?

I have to tell you now, it isn't a DB fic, it will have elements from the show, but it's actually a fic from the movie Batman Forever.

.....

Cool, you've just invented a new form of therapy; online hypnosis. :D

Why thank-you.

Did it work?

Hmm, not sure... :unsure:

Let me check what I've said two posts ago... :P

:lol: <_< :(

Anyway

So that means that you want me to post it here?

I have to tell you now, it isn't a DB fic, it will have elements from the show, but it's actually a fic from the movie Batman Forever.