Title: Fan Forum
Description: I also have a fan fourum as well
Alexis - July 7, 2007 06:54 AM (GMT)
Sarah Frost - July 7, 2007 12:16 PM (GMT)
Normally I wouldn't criticise anyone who asked me not to make negative remarks about their content, or at least take it somewhere away from them. The problem is that I don't see a lot of
your content on the
forum.
Ripping off LightningFlash's rules is
plagiarism. You didn't even trouble to reorder them! Screencap
here, in case of editing (which I very much encourage, but hey, you did the crime, you provide amusement even after you see the error of your ways).
- Rules ~ Required Reading
Your header: Forum Rules~Required to Read
Comment: The case of the suggestive squiggle... ~~~ - These rules are subject to change without notice, so please check back often.
Your rule: These rules may change, so I would check daily. If you don't I will put up a reminder to tell you that I have.
Comment: Congrats on changing the wording, however making it occupy the same position in your list is somewhat suspicious! - Users under thirteen need to have their parent's/guardian's permission to join this message board.
Your rule: Users under thirteen need to have their parent's/guardian's permission to join this message board.
Comment: Uh-oh! - No multiple accounts. ONE account per person only.
Your rule: No multiple accounts. ONE account per person only.
Comment: I'm sure it's a mere coincidence! - No multiple posting. If you make a mistake or forget something, edit your original post instead of making a new one. It's okay to split larger posts, but two or three short posts in a row is annoying, and, more importantly, not allowed. This includes bumping a topic. Bumping is constantly posting in a topic to keep it at the top of the forum.
Your rule: Please try not to make too many multiple posts it's hard for me to read an dothers as well. So only 3 posts then edit your third one.
Comment: You've obviously edited this one! The run-on sentence and the pair of spelling errors would make it more than obvious. - Don't abuse the Private Message option for spam, PM wars, etc. Take that sort of stuff away from the forum.
Your rule: Don't abuse the Private Message option for spam, PM wars, etc. If you do the PM will be taken away for a while till you show me you are able to use it again.
Comment: At least the second sentence demonstrates your dazzingly original writing abilities! Though now I'm curious. If you take it away from them, how will they demonstrate their newly discovered abilities in using it? - Signatures, banners, avatars, and member titles should be kept clean and are not to include material that may offend or discriminate. If the Admin feels your profile falls under this category, you will be given a short amount of time in which to change it.
Your rule: Signatures, banners, avatars, and member titles should be kept clean and are not to include material that may offend or discriminate. If the Admin feels your profile falls under this category, you will be given a short amount of time in which to change it. And if you don't you will be suspended or deleted. Please don't do this.
Comment: Yay, two original sentences at the end there with not a word misspelled! Sheer brilliance! - All images, including avatars, banners, and personal photos, are to be kept at a reasonable size. If any image is too large, it will be deleted.
Your rule: Keep all images and pictures a resonable size, if it is bigger than it should be link it, so then it wouldn't have to be deleted. I don't like doing that either.
Comment: "It should be link it". If you're a non-native speaker, my most earnest apologies--but were you taught English by wild chimpanzees, my girl/boy? However, this one would pass for original by itself. - Please post topics in the right section. The board layout is really not very complicated, and it's quite annoying having to re-home lost topics. Build-up of misplaced topics results in the Admin having to close the board and deal with them.
Your rule: Please post topics in the right section, catagory, or forum. It helps other people and even me to find it.
Comment: Spelling error and clunky second sentence--original past the first seven words, anyway! - Posting links to personal, unrelated sites/boards/blogs in any area other than Advertising will be viewed as spamming. These posts/topics will be deleted, and the author will be warned. Repeat offenders will be banned.
Your rule: Posting links to personal, unrelated sites/boards/blogs in any area other than Advertising will be viewed as spamming. These posts/topics will be deleted, and the author will be warned. WARN ME IF IT HAPPENS.
Comment: Yay caps! *dances* - This forum is for a children's show. Any topics deemed inappropriate will be deleted, and the author will be warned severely and/or banned.
Your rule: NO inappropriate links, images, sites, etc. The person who does this will be deleted immedietly. If you find something like this tell me, immediatly so I can take care of it.
Comment: It is spelt immediately. But nearly all original wording, at least! - Use proper English, grammar, and spelling. This makes it easier for everyone to read and enjoy your posts. Posts with large amounts of netspeak will be deleted. Strictly no Leet, or '1337'. Allowances are made for users with English as a second language, however, that's no excuse for not trying your hardest.
Your rule: Use proper English, grammar, and spelling. This makes it easier for everyone to read and enjoy your posts. Posts with large amounts of netspeak will be deleted. Second languages are harder to read for me and othrs as well.
Comment: Admittedly it's an inevitable law of nature that one will make spelling errors while instructing others not to do so--however, "othrs" rather requires an 'e'. - Do not bash or discriminate against other members' character or 'shipping preferences, nor the members themselves.
Your rule: Do not bash or discriminate against other members' character, religon, ethnic group, how they look, or anything. Contact me if anyone is doing that.
Comment: Whee, an expanded rule! - This is not a role-playing forum. There are places like Dragon Legends for that. RP threads started on this forum will be deleted.
Your rule: This is a RPG forum as well. I have a forum for all that in the Fan Fiction section, so post all them there, please.
Comment: ...though I did participate in the RP back when there was an RP on this board, somehow at this point I am terribly grateful that LightningFlash eliminated it.
Your extra rules: I will be nice to people if they listen properly and don't dissobey, but if you get outta hand then I will ask you to please quit. But if then you are rude to me or the others I will not be nice anymore. So try to obey. If you do you are fine and you wont be deleted or anything. No OC theft. I will not take that on this board. If there is any of this on this borad, PM me immediatly so then the persom would get an suspension or deletation. Depends on how bad it is. If someone has stolen you art and said it was theres tell me and I'll take care of it. When you use someones elses art make sure you give all credit to the creator. Obey, have fun and Release The Dragon!
Comment: Dissobey, wont (apostrophes do matter!), borad (was that the name of that film?), immediatly, persom, deletation (sounds yummy!), you art, theres (add an e on the end, replace the s for a z and maybe double the r, and you've got a great DB Sue name!), someones elses art (did you have a traumatic apostrophe experience as a child?)...
Nor are your forum headers stunning examples of originality, though fewer of them are obvious plagiarism. Screencap
here, preserving the typos I liked best.
- Fan Fiction: Share your Dragon Booster inspired creations here.
Your version: Share your Dragon Booster creativity here.
Comment: Suggestive, though mostly due to the other copying. - Misc. Fanworks: Any fanworks that aren't fic or art should go here. Dragon Booster related stuff only, please.
Your version: Misc. Fan Art: Any fanart that aren't fic or art should go here. Only Dragon Booster please and thank you.
Comment: Someone made a typo! - Transcripts: If you've got them, please post them.
Your version: Dragon Booster Transcrpits: If you have some and was dying to put it some where. Post them here.
Comment: Similar idea, despite the typos. - Images: Post links to Screenshots, Reference Images, Official Images, and any other non fan-created art.
Your version: Reference Images: Psot Screenshots, Images, and Reference Images of non-Dragon Booster art.
Comment: Someone made another typo or few! What crossover images will be posted here, I wonder? - Misc: Any reference materials that don't fit in Images or Links.
Your version: Misc.: Post any reference materials that don't fit in Images or Links here that you couldn't post anywhere else.
Comment: You have no subforum called Images! - News: Board and Show news.
Your version: News: Board and Show news.
Comment: ... - General Discussion: Discuss Other Stuff here.
Your version: General Discussion: Discuss other stuff here.
Comment: I do like your capitalization better. - Advertising: Tell others about your Web Site or Message Board.
Your version: Advertising: Want people to see your Websites or Board, post the links with a description here.
Comment: The spirit is the same if not the substance of English class success. - Requests: Request new categories here.
Your version: Requests: Request new categories and Forums here
Comment: I don't like your capitalization better this time. :(
The order was also similar, though you left out some and added others. While the forum headers used here are basic concepts, the similarity in descriptions and ordering make it obvious you simply took from here rather than bothering to think up your own.
*headdesk*
IT IS PLAGIARISM TO TAKE THE RULES AND FORUM HEADINGS SOMEONE ELSE HAS WRITTEN.
DO NOT USE OTHER PEOPLE'S WORK.
*sigh*
I think I'm done here.
Now here comes the slightly nicer part: you're young and will learn and grow, and I've most definitely been harsh above. However, you've already had one plagiarism scandal to your credit,
Solari-of-the-unknown-best-friend-who-not-only-gave-you-someone-else's-story-but-made-you-put-their-art-on-your-site-as-well, and you should have learned from that experience. Learn from this as well, and don't take art or words without permission. People do eventually forget about these things as time goes on, and as a young 'un especially you have a
lot of time.
Deathshallcome - July 7, 2007 01:04 PM (GMT)
Don't worry Sarah Frost I am going to change them I am an admin there everything will be done. And Sarah Frost all we want is a peaceful commenty I placed those there they are not re-runs even though you think they are but they are not, I made those from scratch I swear to god I did even though others will say otherwise but I did. I deleted the original rules that were on there and made newer ones.
Thrakos - July 7, 2007 03:31 PM (GMT)
Argh.... Another copycat forum *Heads Desk*
Sarah Frost - July 7, 2007 06:32 PM (GMT)
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| Don't worry Sarah Frost I am going to change them I am an admin there everything will be done. |
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| I placed those there they are not re-runs even though you think they are but they are not, I made those from scratch I swear to god |
Either they need to be changed, or they don't. But I see very little change as yet. Post when you have actually altered your rules and forum so that they are no longer plagiarism.
| QUOTE |
| I deleted the original rules that were on there and made newer ones. |
Oh,
have you? The
current rules are
exactly the same as the rules on which I
comment above, and there's
way too much coincidence for you to have "made [them] from scratch".
You've made nothing from scratch. Grow up.
ETA: ...wait, hold on. The forum currently has two members, and one of them is the Great Grey, and the other is Skitters alias Alexis. Are you a sockpuppet owned by one of those two, or do you have nothing directly to do with the forum at all?
The Great Grey - July 7, 2007 07:10 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Sarah Frost @ Jul 8 2007, 04:32 AM) |
| ETA: ...wait, hold on. The forum currently has two members, and one of them is the Great Grey, and the other is Skitters alias Alexis. Are you a sockpuppet owned by one of those two, or do you have nothing directly to do with the forum at all? |
Yes, I have joined that forum for Role Playing alone, nothing else. This forum will always be number one to me. I don't know that sockpuppeting is, but I don't own that forum or help out with anything.
Sarah Frost - July 8, 2007 12:32 AM (GMT)
A sockpuppet account is an extra account not linked to the main account, used to do things that you don't want your main account to be seen doing. Eg. registering to this forum under two different names and using the second one to praise the first's fanfiction.
I apologise for accusing you, Great Grey, but I'm most curious as to why Deathshallcome claimed responsibility and involvement in this case of plagiarism.
desperada - July 8, 2007 12:42 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Sarah Frost @ Jul 7 2007, 07:32 PM) |
| I apologise for accusing you, Great Grey, but I'm most curious as to why Deathshallcome claimed responsibility and involvement in this case of plagiarism. |
Im trying to figure that one out too, Deathshallcome has nothing to do with that site well anyway I apologize for butting in like this
The Great Grey - July 8, 2007 01:12 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Sarah Frost @ Jul 8 2007, 10:32 AM) |
| I apologise for accusing you, Great Grey, but I'm most curious as to why Deathshallcome claimed responsibility and involvement in this case of plagiarism. |
Hey don't worry about it, we all make mistakes, besides you didn't really say anything super bad about me anyways.
Maybe Deathshallcome thought it was about a fourm that she/he ran, but I am just quessing.
desperada - July 8, 2007 01:24 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
| Maybe Deathshallcome thought it was about a fourm that she/he ran, but I am just quessing. |
no he was talking about my site, once again sorry for butting in
LightningFlash - July 10, 2007 05:21 AM (GMT)
You have stolen a graphic from this forum, SmallAmulet.gif, and used it on yours, despite the rule:
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| • DO NOT STEAL GRAPHICS FROM THIS FORUM. The graphics used on this forum are custom made for this forum only. Permission has not, and never will be given for them to be used anywhere other than on this forum. |
Please remove it immediately.
Matryx - July 10, 2007 07:57 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Sarah Frost @ Jul 7 2007, 10:16 PM) |
Normally I wouldn't criticise anyone who asked me not to make negative remarks about their content, or at least take it somewhere away from them. The problem is that I don't see a lot of your content on the forum.
Ripping off LightningFlash's rules is plagiarism. You didn't even trouble to reorder them! Screencap --- |
I know I may be banned for bothering you on this, but to be very honest, it is Lightning Flash who pushed them to make this Forum for role-playing, and she wasn't very accommodating on how to do so.
Let me clarify, most of these people on the forum are very young, and probably don't know what they are doing when it comes to a forum. To them, Lightning Flash sets the example. They want it to be what they think is "right" for a forum, and therefore, have tried to make it as similar as possible by either using her rules or paraphrasing them.
Considering their age, shouldn't you offer to help them out a bit, or explain what they did wrong in a better way? Yelling at them and throwing legal phrases at them is not going to help in my opinion. You should know them a little bit by now, they mean well, and would appreciate some guidance. I'm not saying that what they did was right, or just. But I am saying that you could be a bit kinder, considering the fact that they have been trying to comply with what you ask.
I mean, it's not like they are complete strangers ripping off LF's forum, they use this as their main forum, they just wanted a place to move their RPs. Set a good example and help them out.
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| Argh.... Another copycat forum *Heads Desk* |
From what I heard from them, it was a forum only for RPing, which is against the rules here.
Sarah Frost - July 10, 2007 08:17 AM (GMT)
Actually, calling plagiarism theft is definitely not legal terminology. Legally speaking, "theft" is usually taken to refers to the appropriation property--plagiarism only infringes on an intellectual property right. Describing it as theft is more of a metaphor, for taking the credit that belongs to the author.
Had you read my first post, you would have noticed that I referred to a
previous incident. When Alexis first joined this forum, she joined claiming another person's OC as her own and even using fanart drawn by someone else of that OC on her site. This is what I said that first time:
To Solari, you may not have realised that not everything on the Internet is free, but it's unfair to the power of Ice to write about hir OCs as though you own them. You need to note who created them, just like if you were doing an assignment and you copied your classmate's. You've stolen someone else's work, and this is wrong.Taking the rules without credit or a link back was the
second incident after being told that not everything on the Internet is free for the taking, therefore I was harsh. Alexis' phrasing of her original advertising post was rather excessive in requesting for no negative feedback, as though she knew she should not have taken the rules. Alexis also kept up an image from this forum after being told twice that taking things without credit is inappropriate, and has only changed that as well after being called upon it. She was told about the OCs Solari and Sam and then changed them, she was told about the art that maybe a reasonable person would have already suspected wasn't her "best friend's" (the one who supposedly gave her the OCs) either and then changed that, she was told she couldn't take the forum rules and (to some extent) changed them, and even after being shown three times that not everything on the Internet is free for the taking, she didn't change the forum image until being called on that as well.
It's hard to presume she was acting out of innocence. What I find especially ironic is that her rules say that she "will not take" OC theft--but "When someone puts up a forum or a website be kind if they have something on there that is the same as anyones elses' website, board or anything else. Please ask them nicely to get ride of it or change it." Apparently, as long as nobody takes her Sue, she's willing to take someone else's forum materials and expect to only get pleasant reactions.
Of course, like I said in the first post:
Now here comes the slightly nicer part: you're young and will learn and grow, and I've most definitely been harsh above. However, you've already had one plagiarism scandal to your credit, Solari-of-the-unknown-best-friend-who-not-only-gave-you-someone-else's-story-but-made-you-put-their-art-on-your-site-as-well, and you should have learned from that experience. Learn from this as well, and don't take art or words without permission. People do eventually forget about these things as time goes on, and as a young 'un especially you have a lot of time.I do hope Alexis will grow up and learn from her experiences. As time goes on--and as this thread becomes inactive--she might well post original content and hold herself to a higher standard of ethics than displayed so far, and become very much appreciated in fandom.
By the way, as far as I know LightningFlash has only banned for spam, persistent double posting coupled with incomprehensible English, and sockpuppeting. You're quite welcome to your opinions and to voicing them in appropriate topics. (It's too bad your entrance to the board came in the middle of issues such as this.)
Matryx - July 10, 2007 08:35 AM (GMT)
You're right, I missed the part where this was a second offense. And taken at face value, it looked to me as if it were an accident since they are young. But knowing that they have already been warned for such things really changes the picture in my opinion.
You see, a while back, after the rp incident, Alexis took it upon herself to create an rp board. When I saw this, I figured it was becoming a misunderstanding, because they only wanted a board similar to this one for RP purposes only. But looking at your screen caps, I'm not so sure anymore. Now I'm a bit confused...
But, back to the topic, If this is a second or third offense, then I have to agree that no matter what age she is, that she should have learned her lesson from previous incidents, especially if she was warned.
Sorry for arguing, but it seems I was on a different page, so to say. Knowing more facts changes a lot. Also, I thought that debating like this would be concidered an argument, a bannable offense, no?. <3
Sarah Frost - July 10, 2007 08:42 AM (GMT)
I do think Alexis' board was meant to be used for RPing, but she decided to take wholesale most of the sections on this forum anyway, probably for completeness' sake or something. (Which wouldn't have been nearly as bad if she hadn't used the same descriptions for those subforums, because after all "TV Show," "Fanfiction", "Fanart," etcetera are very basic, obvious things.) And I do give her a little credit for paraphrasing and adding to her rules, altering the subforums and removing the graphic.
Debating isn't an offence at all if it's on-topic (this isn't an art thread! :P ). So no, not bannable in the least as far as I know. ^_^
Matryx - July 10, 2007 08:46 AM (GMT)
ohh good *breathes a sigh of relief.*
I hope they have at least taken down the art from this site, because there is no way of getting around that.
Sarah Frost - July 10, 2007 08:50 AM (GMT)
Yes. Alexis had
this graphic (it's the wee little one that goes up the top--Dragon Booster->General->Advertising->Fan Forum) and has taken it down, and another site which borrowed this forum's graphics with credit has also recently taken them down after being asked. :) Art protections are important, not just for the forum but the gifted artists on it.
The Great Grey - July 11, 2007 03:23 AM (GMT)
Just to tell you that Alexis is now fourm is a full on Role Playing fourm... Wait a second, it changed again!? Anyways I think that Alexis fourm should only be a Role Playing fourm, since this fourm is pretty good at cover all the other areas.
LightningFlash - July 11, 2007 09:42 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Matryx @ Jul 10 2007, 05:57 PM) |
I know I may be banned for bothering you on this, but to be very honest, it is Lightning Flash who pushed them to make this Forum for role-playing, and she wasn't very accommodating on how to do so.
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Excuse me while I object. How is this my fault?
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| Let me clarify, most of these people on the forum are very young, and probably don't know what they are doing when it comes to a forum. To them, Lightning Flash sets the example. They want it to be what they think is "right" for a forum, and therefore, have tried to make it as similar as possible by either using her rules or paraphrasing them. |
I created a forum that has had some success and so I should expect people to steal half of it? If someone took the same attitude with your art, "They want it to be what they think is "right" for art, and therefore, have tried to make it as similar as possible by either using her art or modifying it," would that be okay with you?
This is the first forum I ever created, and I did not do it by finding the nearest forum and copying everything. This was over two years ago, and although it's been something of a steep learning curve, it wasn't that difficult.
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| I know I may be banned for bothering you on this |
As Sarah said, I'm not in the habit of banning people for having their own oppinion, and I'm actually a fan of debate. :)
Dragon Fanatic - August 30, 2007 01:07 AM (GMT)
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I know I may be banned for bothering you on this, but to be very honest, it is Lightning Flash who pushed them to make this Forum for role-playing, and she wasn't very accommodating on how to do so.
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I think that LightningFlash was great at creating this board. In fact, of all the forums I've seen, the one she runs is the clearest. Just because there isn't roleplaying on this one, doesn't mean you can't go on another site and roleplay. This is no reason to go and blame LightningFlash for something that she didn't do wrong.
I think you should give an apology to LightningFlash. She's worked hard on this board and she decided what she thought was right.
Deathshallcome - August 30, 2007 01:32 AM (GMT)
*slaps head* I thought this was about Des's site Sorry for the incovience.... and LF's fault? How so? This site has already made me happy I do not care if it has no rp area this place is fun to talk to others. I totally agree on what you said Dragon Fanatic I think LF deserves an apology she did nothing wrong to you or to anyone else around here.
Dragon Fanatic - August 30, 2007 03:07 PM (GMT)
Did you ever think that LightningFlash just wanted this to be a disscussion board and NOT a Role playing board? She's no reason to go blame her for saying that she didn't make it clear that there was no role playing. She made it quite clear.
And you also copied the rules she set up, almost word for word, like Sarah Frost was so kindly to point out.
To me, you owe her more than one apology. You owe her a few for everything that you've shot at her. She's work hard on this board to make it efficient. The least you can do is respect what she done.
Deathshallcome - August 30, 2007 06:44 PM (GMT)
I agree on what DF says again! Just swallow yer pride and say sorry.
Dragon Fanatic - August 30, 2007 06:46 PM (GMT)
Just apologize. It'd be better for everyone.
Sarah Frost - August 30, 2007 08:20 PM (GMT)
Try to make it clear whether you're addressing Alexis or Matryx, Dragon Fanatic and Deathshallcome. Alexis plagiarised. Matryx (as you probably know) is a talented artist in her own right who engaged in some discussion above. One of them doesn't deserve five posts calling for an apology from them, IMO, and as for the other, while I'm disappointed she hasn't done so and tried to make amends for her plagiarism, there's no call for...an extensive calling-out of her failings.
Dragon Fanatic - August 30, 2007 09:24 PM (GMT)
Oh. Okay. All of it was aimed at Alexis for her plagerizing and Matryx for insulting LightningFlash about how she made the board
Deathshallcome - August 31, 2007 04:12 AM (GMT)
Same here. Well I was mostly agreeing on what DF said about what Matrix said.