Well I was reading about mag skills and I just have adoub: coudl Mag-rip affect humans??? or just dragons??

what can affect humans enough to keep them weake and unable to defend them selves?

Isnt the mag rip the technique that Moordryd uses on Beau and Artha? I forget which eppisode but I do know that it tokk allmost all of both their energy away untill Artha could replentish it with stolen energy from the Prophets crew. So there is a method out there that effects humans and dragons.

I get the impression that all the mag-techniques work on both humans and dragons. However, because the purpose of mag-rip is to drain energy, applying it to a dragon is much more effective than applying it to a human--dragons supply most of the energy. (Though Artha does some mag-things by himself without the gauntlet activated in Slithercorp, so humans have *some* mag-energy.)

Plus there's the energy in the DB suit. The mag-rip definitely affected Artha in "When Opposites Attract" and he even said his energy was more tied together lately with Beau's, implying he possesses energy himself to some degree. Plus we also saw Beau borrowing energy from Lance, Kitt, Parm, and Moordryd back in "Horn of Libris". Of course, maybe that energy was coming from their gear, or maybe it "rubbed off" on them from being close to their dragons just like a magnet can magnetize a non-magnetic metal just by being close to it, but either way it seems humans can possess some amount of mag energy. This seems likely since we saw Mortis generate a mag burst from his staff back in "Fanning the Flames" with no dragon around to provide the energy at that moment.

So yeah, I'd say humans can possess mag energy. I would imagine that Academy training and the Dragon Priesthood can teach how to maximize that skill, too. And I suppose the more mag energy a human might possess might mean the mag-rip would do more damage to them. The bigger (or more powerful they are), the harder they fall. :)

Dragon and rider definately have their mag energy bound together. Ever notice how Moordyrd never has any trouble draining Beau's energy even when his drain whip is attached to Artha?

when ever moodryd uses a mag whip on artha before beaus and arthas energy was merged together only one person will be weak like when moodryd uses whip drain on beau, beau will be getting weak artha will not be affected but when they joined energy both of them get affected, when moodryd uses the mag rip move it was meant for beau but artha covered beau, but still beau was affected

Not exactly Artha was on the other side of Beau's head.

I think when a human is touching the dragon and a energy drain is in process then the human is effected as well. Like during races when Moordryd uses his energy drain whip on the rider it affects both rider and dragon, but when he uses it on the dragon the human is not affected.

Also, Moordryd very effectively uses his energy draining whip on Khatah twice in "Horn of Libris". That pretty much says that humans posses some amount of mag energy, or something very similar that the whip is able to affect. Though it's possible the energy is contained in the racing suit he was wearing instead of in his body since Moordryd did say there was draconium in his suit back in episode 1. In any event, the average human apparently can't do much of anything with the energy on their own.

Maybe doing a mag-rip costs you more energy than just flicking a whip, and so you usually need to affect the dragon to get back enough energy.

In the "Changlings" didn't Conner say to Beau(in Artha's body) 'you should still be able to transform because of the draconium in your bones.'

He did say that and I was always kind of wondering exactly how he meant it. It wasn't clear to me if Connor was speaking specifically to Beau (in Artha's body) or to both Artha and Beau together as a pair. The Magna Draconis told us that humans have a trace amount of gold draconium in their bones, so was Connor referring to this? If so, it surprises me a bit since it's the first time that has ever been mentioned in the show and I would have thought that would have been a bigger revelation. :unsure:

Either way though, it seems clear that the amulet should still work them since their bodies are physically the same as they were before. And I still think Artha foolishly missed an opportunity to try out Beau's wings and fly while he had the chance. Who wouldn't want to do that. :D

i can think of two ways to find out. one is we could just look at the episode the mag rip is used in. the mag rip was directed to beau so it must affect dragons. since artha had a strong bond with beau it affected him too. the other is we could take a dragon and a human who dont even know each other and mag rip them to see if it affects both.

Now thats just being mean. I wouldnt mag rip any dragon unless it was trying to kill me or my dragon. I would just try to stun it if it was attacking me but if it attacked my dragon Id see if its possible to kill a dragon by use of the mag rip.*Step away from my dragon!*

I agree with Furox and Black and Gold Dragon, maybe someone should use this as their question for M.D.!

Nah, I like B+G's reckless animal-testing idea.

.EDIT: OK Fine heres all Im saying in common english. We are part of this world too and we need to be carefull. Im not a tree hugger but Im not willing to stand by and watch everyone else tear them selves and the world apart. OH and BTW Whos Darth Nader?

For the purposes of that phrase, there is a clear division between animals and humans. You knew what I meant, so that was an effective choice of words. I stand by my statement in spite of your tyrannical Green-party propaganda. (Yeah, Green Party is analagous to the Red Party on the color wheel for a reason.) I will live to see your demise. Your foul leader Darth Nader cannot save you forever! I will incinerate him into a cloud of dissappointingly low FX-budget smoke! :poof:

hydrag could you reply that in english? yes i know it is mean to test on creatures. but it is one a suggestion and two it is possibly the only way. unless we want to ask nerd corps or consult the magma draconius. :eep:

But remember that Kitt was knocked out in three time a hero and Moordryd used his wip to drain her energy...

May be i have to watch the episode again

No you're right Kitt did get knocked out and I believe it was from Moordryd draining most of her energy.

what does that have to do with magrip?though i would hate magrips.

We brought up Moordryd's drain whip because it also drains mag energy like a Mag-Rip. We're forced to assume, based on lack of information, that they follow similar rules.

I don't think so. Wyldfyr got her engery drained. Kitt got trapped, by trapping gear and we assume that she out knocked out.

why dont we ask nerd corps or something? my head hearts.

Perhaps drain whips and mag-rips affect humans because, since all humans have gold draconium in their bones, it sucks some of that energy, or energy which they gained from being around their dragon so much. And the sudden loss of energy causes them to feel faint, unlike in dragons, who feel more than faint since they actually have mag energy and depend on it more and they take a while to recover. And in Artha's case when Moordryd threw the mag-rip on him, he had on his suit, and Artha was felling the strain of having the energy taken out of his suit. :unsure: Or something...

with artha i can understand but the others? artha and beau have a strong bond. the others really dont.

Well, we know Moordryd's energy draining whip works on humans because we saw him use it directly on Khatah in "Horn of Libris". We also know that humans carry around some amount of mag energy because we saw Beau borrow some energy from them to re-balance Libris. So it's not much of a stretch to conclude that a mag-rip would work on humans as well.

It's never been clearly specified why humans are walking around with some amount of mag energy. The Magna Draconis said that the trace amounts of gold draconium in the bones of the humans was a secret yet to be revealed, so I wouldn't think this would be the source since if it was generally known by the human population of Dragon City, then it wouldn't be much of secret. Yet the energy draining whip works on humans, so there seems to be another source. As Liliwen said, one possibility is that some of their dragon's mag energy "rubs off" on the humans by close association. After all, a magnet can leave a weak magnetic field on a previously unmagnetized piece of iron, so it seems plausible that a dragon's mag energy could similarly rub off.

In "Three Times a Hero" when Moordryd used his whip on Wyldfyr, Kitt appeared to be totally unaffected. I'm going to assume that the trapping gear knocked her out in that particular case.

It's also possible that the riders are charged by some method of magnetic induction while riding the dragon. The draconium in human racing gear might be able to hold the charge like when Beau used a mag-bolt to charge up Artha's DB armor so that they could work together to defeat SB in Eye of the Dragon.

OK heres what I think. It all started with the Muhortah. Some ancient person saw the Muhortah mag drain a dragon, person or whatever and after much trial and error they succeded in creating the Mag-Rip. After some time went by there were people that lacked the necesarry skills to perform the Mag-Rip and so they developed a gear that would imitate it even without the help of a dragon. SO it stands to reason that if the Muhortah can drain people which I think it can then Mag-Rip and Energy Drain whips will affect humans as well. Think Im crazy for this theory? Well if you look at history youll see some prime examples of people copying nature. A scottish man saw a Burr sticking to his clothes and developed a common place thing of today. VELCRO! Second example and Im done. Pottery. Its quite possible that a lonnnngggggggg time ago some one saw a potters wasp building a nest and then putting caterpilars or spiders in there for their eggs to hatch and feed on. They got the bright idea to mimic them and developed the worlds first pottery pieces. And guess what. The two styles of insect and mans pottery are very similar.

Thats is very true, I remember that Parm said it was impossible for a human to hold and contain that many gigadracs and survive. I guess that means that humans have long known the ability to store small amounts of Dragon energy. Probably thats something they teach at the academy.

It's a good theory apart from the Muhortah targeting humans. The Muhortah didn't seem very interested in Artha or Stewarrd when they were near it, and they were both unaffected even though they were sitting on Beau when he was being drained.

yes but word controled it for a while at least.

Well he didn't really have control over the Muhortah. I mean, if you drop a floundering seal in front of a shark, and the shark eats it, you can't really claim to be controlling the shark.

yes but it seemed that way.