Title: Death?
phsycopathicdragon - February 4, 2007 01:45 AM (GMT)
Just a topic to dscuss, do you think there will there be any charachters dying in dragon booster?
It may not happen since its a kids show, but they may consider it as a plot twist, and in some kids shows charachters do die
Any chance of it happening, and if it does, then who? Who would die, if someone is to die?
what do you guys think?
The Furox - February 4, 2007 02:21 AM (GMT)
I don't think any characters will die. As you say, it's a kid's show and my feeling is that the writers have no interest in going in that direction. There may be a reference made to a character that has died in the past, such as Zulay or Artha's mother, but I'm pretty certain none of the characters that have appeared so far will die. One or more evil characters may end up being banished to a living hell such as the Shadow Track, but they won't be killed.
Now, if you wanted to make the show edgy, I'd have Moordryd accidentally kill Lance. Moordryd could be carrying out orders from either his father or Armeggaddon when Lance unexpectedly gets in the way and Moordryd accidentally kills him before he can stop what he's doing. That would bring tons of angst onto Moordryd and drive him off in all sorts of directions. He might, for example, transfer the blame for what he did onto someone else, like maybe onto his father or maybe onto Artha for not keeping Lance safely at home or maybe onto Cain for not warning him Lance was nearby. And of course, Artha would blame Moordryd, and maybe himself as well. Connor might blame Artha and Word (if Moordryd was acting on behalf of Word). Tensions and fighting would rise.
But this is just for the sake of discussion since there's no way they'll kill off Lance. Among other things, Lance is there so the young kids watching the show have a character they can identify with, so the writers aren't going to damage that, not to mention the fact that some of the younger viewers would no doubt end up in therapy if they did do something like this. So I think character deaths will be a subject exclusively for fan fictions.
dolphinliss - February 4, 2007 02:47 AM (GMT)
It is a kids show so nobody will probably die. But it would be really extreme is Connor died while fighting Drakkus or Armeggadon. Artha would lift up his mask and he would be revealed to the enemy and Artha, as dragon booster would unleash his furry on the enemy with some super strong ancient mag attack.
But like I said, I don't think anyone would die. It would be cool if Zulay or Artha's mom came into the show.
Shiroi_Neko - February 4, 2007 03:42 PM (GMT)
What dolphinliss said. Except the part where Artha reveals himself.
But again, it's a kids show. So no people dying or suffering or in so much pain (so much, it's scary).
And talking about Zulay, I am totally confused about her. Can someone tell me what really happened to her??
Sarah Frost - February 4, 2007 08:16 PM (GMT)
Zulay? Word says that she's Moordryd's mother who made it through the Shadow Track. Assuming he's telling the truth, from that we assume she was a racer, shagged Word at least once, and died giving birth or when Moordryd was still very young (Word wouldn't have to tell him about his mother's achievements if he'd been old enough to hear about them). Since unlike Artha's mother she's actually been mentioned by name, fans assume she'll have some future plot role.
I think I'd kill off Artha, Parm or Moordryd. There'd be much angst and difficulty, especially if Moordryd or Artha were the ones behind the death of their enemies, and it'd mean other characters could grow trying to take over their roles or face remorse if they were partially responsible.
dolphinliss - February 5, 2007 02:29 AM (GMT)
I didn't mean Artha would reveal himself. The wording of that last post wasn't very good.
Shiroi_Neko - February 5, 2007 12:41 PM (GMT)
Thanks fer clearing it out for me, nya ^^
Just thinking again, let's just say the war was started, and Artha's gonna stop the enemy's leader (armeggy or word, pick one), and when he is going to the enemy's stronghold, there's an army of bad dragons he has to face. Then the other crews (Dragon Flares, Inner Order, Dragon Fish etc) united and became allies and joins the battle. But since there's an army and basically they are outnumbered, one by one the crews fall so that DB could get into the enemy's stronghold and defeat the big boss.
But of course, if it ever happens, I'm sure the crews will survive anyways. Just a thought again, coz I love making stories.
dolphinliss - February 5, 2007 09:38 PM (GMT)
That sounds like a drac idea
The Furox - February 5, 2007 11:46 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Shiroi_Neko @ Feb 5 2007, 04:41 AM) |
But since there's an army and basically they are outnumbered, one by one the crews fall so that DB could get into the enemy's stronghold and defeat the big boss.
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In other words, the crews would be making the ultimate sacrifice so Artha could succeed, right? That could work in a story if things were set up so that it was a no-win situation for the crews, sort of like the movie "Deep Impact".
As long as we're on the ultimate sacrifice scenario, if any character would make that sacrifice for Artha it would be Connor. There is no other character in show that so thoroughly believes in the Prophecy and abilities of his son than Connor. As such, I think he would be the one to sacrifice himself for the sake of the Prophesy if the need arose.
But that's getting pretty dark. I don't think I would want to watch that myself.
Salazaar - February 6, 2007 12:22 AM (GMT)
Yeah, the big gaurded stronghold sounds like a drac idea!
It'd be drac cuz Propheci and his pals, Armeggy, leage a' 8, everybody could all join up and then everybody would have to ban together to deafeat them!!!
Na-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha!!! :lol:
Burnout Beau - February 6, 2007 12:22 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (The Furox @ Feb 6 2007, 09:46 AM) |
As long as we're on the ultimate sacrifice scenario, if any character would make that sacrifice for Artha it would be Connor. There is no other character in show that so thoroughly believes in the Prophecy and abilities of his son than Connor. As such, I think he would be the one to sacrifice himself for the sake of the Prophesy if the need arose. |
Connor may not be the only one who have strong belief in Artha. :unsure:
In other possible scenarios, Beau may be the one who ends up sacrificing for Artha. As a close ally and friend to DB, I think Beau is the one who have to carry the heaviest burden than Artha or Connor. Considering he's the Dragon of Legend, his ultimate power of restoring all the dragons back to their gold state may involve sacrificing his life (ever wonder if that's the case for the original Beau?).
If not that, maybe it involves stopping the Dragon-Human War (if it happens) or defeating Armeggadon and the League of Eight (if it also happens).
But then again, this is a kids show and it's very unlikely for a character to be killed off. If there is, I hope it's not Beau... :(
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| But that's getting pretty dark. I don't think I would want to watch that myself. |
All too true, Furox. Especially from a kid's POV. :eep:
The Furox - February 6, 2007 01:41 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Burnout Beau @ Feb 5 2007, 04:22 PM) |
But then again, this is a kids show and it's very unlikely for a character to be killed off. If there is, I hope it's not Beau... :(
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Yeah, really! I for one do NOT want to watch Beau die. Better to have Artha sacrifice himself to save Beau. Then Beau could choose Moordryd to complete the prophecy. Watching Artha's sacrifice could be the thing that tips the balance with Moordryd and gets him to do the right thing and fulfill the prophecy with Beau.
Salazaar - February 6, 2007 01:49 AM (GMT)
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| I for one do NOT want to watch Beau die. |
Same Here! :)
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| Better to have Artha sacrifice himself to save Beau. |
What?!?
How is that better?!?!
Why does Artha have to die!?!?
:eep:
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| Then Beau could choose Moordryd to complete the prophecy. |
bleh.
I still think the show's never gonna kill anybody off unless the ratings effect something or a buch a' people request it or something. *shrugs*
The Furox - February 6, 2007 05:53 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Salazaar @ Feb 5 2007, 05:49 PM) |
Why does Artha have to die!?!?
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Well, no one said Artha has to die. We're just kicking around ideas of what a character death might do the story. Though if I had to choose between Artha or Beau dying, then I'd kill off Artha.
But don't worry. :) I'm sure no characters will die in the show. One or more bad guys may possibly get banished back to the Shadow Track, but I doubt anyone will actually die.
phsycopathicdragon - February 6, 2007 08:25 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Burnout Beau @ Feb 6 2007, 10:22 AM) |
In other possible scenarios, Beau may be the one who ends up sacrificing for Artha. As a close ally and friend to DB, I think Beau is the one who have to carry the heaviest burden than Artha or Connor. Considering he's the Dragon of Legend, his ultimate power of restoring all the dragons back to their gold state may involve sacrificing his life (ever wonder if that's the case for the original Beau?).
If not that, maybe it involves stopping the Dragon-Human War (if it happens) or defeating Armeggadon and the League of Eight (if it also happens).
But then again, this is a kids show and it's very unlikely for a character to be killed off. If there is, I hope it's not Beau... :( |
I too dont wana see Beau die, waaaah poor Beau. But Beau is pure of heart and if someone has to die for something important, Beau would willingly offer himself cause hes such a good dragon :(
dolphinliss - February 6, 2007 11:24 PM (GMT)
NOOOOOOO? I would cry to death if Beau died. Beau sets an example for all the other dragons and if he died everything would be lost.(meaning the show) And Moordryd completing the prophecy. Ha!
CMS(Cry Myself Silly)
The Furox - February 7, 2007 08:11 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (phsycopathicdragon @ Feb 6 2007, 12:25 PM) |
| But Beau is pure of heart and if someone has to die for something important, Beau would willingly offer himself cause hes such a good dragon :( |
I think he would, too. He is definitely a noble dragon. But if he were to go, it would be hard to continue the story line. If Artha died, Moordryd could pick up because it's already been established that Moordryd could have been the Dragon Booster. But there are no other dragons to take Beau's place if he were to die, which means the Prophecy couldn't be fulfilled and Word basically wins.
The only way I can see to write your way out of that corner would be if Beau had an offspring prior to dying. Then his son/daughter could take his place, though the time needed for the pup to grow up would have to be handled somehow.
Or maybe Beau would have enough energy left before he dies to convert one other dragon to gold, like maybe Wyldfyr or Decepshun. That could be an interesting twist if Moordryd and Decepshun end up being the ones to fulfill the Prophecy and stop the war and save the world. Word would certainly be rather peeved to put it mildly. :P
Shiroi_Neko - February 7, 2007 03:26 PM (GMT)
Well, about Beau's (and even Artha's) death, I think there is possiblity it can happen, coz the original DB and ori Beau changed all teh dragon's colour back to gold which means LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS OF ENERGY AND POWER, and if Beau and Artha is going to repeat that action again, they are gonna risk losing their lives and die as heroes. And I know if that ever happens, I'm gonna cry so hard.
And yes, Connor is the only one who is willing to sacrifice his life for Artha, and a high possibility Artha will really lose him for good.
Sarah Frost - February 7, 2007 06:25 PM (GMT)
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| And yes, Connor is the only one who is willing to sacrifice his life for Artha |
Where'd you get that from? Connor took that mag-blast in Return of Drakkus, but by the end of the episode he seemed pretty nearly recovered. That's nowhere near being willing to die. He also, of course, abandoned Artha and allowed him to believe that his father was dead, which is a pretty nasty thing to do (especially to ten-year-old Lance).
The only thing I think Connor's really willing to die for is the prophecies, but maybe he would die trying to protect Artha for their sake.
Parm does a lot for Artha even when he doesn't get thanked for it, and Lance and Kitt also seem to care about him. I think one of them is a lot more likely to sacrifice for Artha.
phsycopathicdragon - February 7, 2007 08:19 PM (GMT)
I dont think that the original Beau died when he turned all the dragons into gold, i admit, it would take a lot of energy to do it, but maybe he just started a chain reaction, kinda like a nuclear bomb. The energy does not come from the bomb itself, but the bomb starts a chain reaction.
I_Am_Chute - February 7, 2007 10:45 PM (GMT)
I'm pretty sure Beau and Artha wouldn't die and be replaced by Moordryd and Decepshun because then you would still be short one of the five colors, and Armeggedon said that Decepshun had the purest black draconium enery he had seen in that time so Decepshun would definately not be the first choice out of who to change.
Burnout Beau - February 9, 2007 10:45 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (The Furox @ Feb 7 2007, 06:11 PM) |
| But there are no other dragons to take Beau's place if he were to die, which means the Prophecy couldn't be fulfilled and Word basically wins. |
Not necessary. Beau's sacrifice (if that happens) can always be left to the conclusion of the series, perhaps ridding the world of evil once and for all and perhaps not halfway through the series. :eep: Kinda similar to the movie "Armageddon" when Bruce Willis' character sacrificed himself to save the world from the asteroid.
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| The only way I can see to write your way out of that corner would be if Beau had an offspring prior to dying. Then his son/daughter could take his place, though the time needed for the pup to grow up would have to be handled somehow. |
This can be a suprise at the end of the series. For example, just as Artha thought Beau was gone for good, maybe Connor can reveal a suprise to him in the form of Beau's offspring.
Or maybe even Beau's sibling, still in an egg, which Connor kept in suspended animation or something. :unsure:
But regardless of those, if that happens in the end, it wouldn't matter because maybe by that time the world is already at peace (it's the ending, right? ;) ). And this revelation can be a compensation for the loss of Beau at the end.
MaiBeyblader - March 2, 2007 03:57 PM (GMT)
[QUOTE=The Furox,Feb 4 2007, 12:21 PM]Now, if you wanted to make the show edgy, I'd have Moordryd accidentally kill Lance. Moordryd could be carrying out orders from either his father or Armeggaddon when Lance unexpectedly gets in the way and Moordryd accidentally kills him before he can stop what he's doing. That would bring tons of angst onto Moordryd and drive him off in all sorts of directions. He might, for example, transfer the blame for what he did onto someone else, like maybe onto his father or maybe onto Artha for not keeping Lance safely at home or maybe onto Cain for not warning him Lance was nearby. And of course, Artha would blame Moordryd, and maybe himself as well. Connor might blame Artha and Word (if Moordryd was acting on behalf of Word). Tensions and fighting would rise.
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I'd just cry if Lance got killed. And I'd keep crying as all that blame flew around. I'd drown in my own tears. Yet as you've all pointed out, this is a kid's show so it won't happen and I won't have to wear a life preserver for any episode called 'The Blame' or 'The Mistake'.
[/QUOTE]He also, of course, abandoned Artha and allowed him to believe that his father was dead, which is a pretty nasty thing to do (especially to ten-year-old Lance).[QUOTE]
Yeah, that was a nasty thing to do to your own kid, but I suppose Connor did have his reasons. And Lance was glad to have him back when he revealed himself, right?
[/QUOTE]The only thing I think Connor's really willing to die for is the prophecies, but maybe he would die trying to protect Artha for their sake.[QUOTE]
I never thought of it that way before...
Sarah Frost - March 3, 2007 01:48 AM (GMT)
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| Yeah, that was a nasty thing to do to your own kid, but I suppose Connor did have his reasons. |
Yup. They're the exact same reasons that some religious fundamentalists use to justify provoking the Middle East (because Biblical prophecy says that Jesus'll return and bring about paradise on earth after various wars), discriminating against women ("Let a woman learn with silence and with all submission"), and homophobia (as much an abomination as shellfish!)--a several-thousand-years-old text.
The only difference is that Connor's at least partly right, but he didn't know that at the time; he just assumed that the ends justified the means. (Nor did the prophecy specifically require him to abandon his children--he just thought it'd be the best strategy to mold Artha into the perfect warrior to serve his ends. Oh for a father that caring!)
Artha and Lance forgave him, but I'd be pretty pissed if my parents did that to me and my younger sibs--and think I was perfectly justified in calling Child Protective Services, whether or not my younger sister was so thrilled at having Dad back that she didn't care about what he'd done.