just ignore this please. And, sorry about that.

just ignore this please. And, sorry about that.

just ignore this please. And, sorry about that.

just ignore this please. And, sorry about that.

Basically everyone in this story is an OC. One is named after you.

I understand the life and death cycle you set up, but wouldn't it make more sence to have dragons as the ultimate fighters for life because of their bonemarks?

I zoned out half way into part 1. You've gone so far off AU it's not DragonBooster anymore. AU and all orginal characters, why not just write an orginal story?

I am writing a 'history' (i guess you could call it that if you really wanted to...) of how dragon city was founded. A.K.A. who and what led to it's founding.

This means that Dragons are still the scaled fire-breathing flying reptiles that we know from Mythology.

As I write more of the story, It will tell how Dragons changed from what they were in Mythology, to what they are in Dragon-city

I don't write an original story, because I got one of the main ideas from Dragon-Booster. If I made an original story, that would be plagarism, and I don't want to have to deal with that...

In re: going AU; I applaud you for your evident honesty, but point out that such a basic concept as fire-breathing reptiles involved in a fantasy civilisation is not an idea copyrighted to the creators of Dragon Booster. You appear to have filed off sufficient serial numbers so as to render this originalfic and therefore have no need to claim it as fanfic.

Like Nemi, I zoned out. I'm wondering if you got any of this from a source other than Dragon Booster (it sounds very much like gen fantasy), or if it really is all out of your head. The writing isn't extraordinary, but it's serviceable; the main problem is that it seems to have absolutely nothing to do with Dragon Booster in all of three chapters and a prologue. Chapter Two is just plain surreal, and the Earth parts strike me as a really weird crossover (is it meant to be a crossover with a videogame? "Soulforge" sounds vaguely familiar to me). I'm sure you have an explanation, but I'm not sure I'm interested in sticking around for it. This belongs as originalfic.

How Dragon City was founded may be implied from the mythology found on the official website. I assume more priests were involved.

I too, have a story for that in one of my fics, which doesn't really matter now since we are discussing your fic.

I have a few questions for you:

Do you like Harry Potter? Naruto? Final Fantasy #? Kingdom Hearts? Star Trek?

Question 1:

Would you read a fic where *deep breath*Harry/Ron/Hermione/Draco/HisCronies/Weasleys/ Dumbledor/Mcgonnagal(sp)/Hagrid/Dursleys/Voldemort/DeathEaters/ OtherSlytherins/OtherRavenclaws/OtherGryffindors/OtherHufflepuffs/ MinistryMembers/DrumbstangCharacters/BeaubatonsCharachters/Anyone-I-Missed-Chachters, Team7/6/whatever/AllJounin/Iruka/Hokage/Gaara/AllDemons/
AllNinja/AllCivillians/Idon'twanttogothroughanotherlistsoIhopeyou'regettingtheidea, Everyone/Everycharcter/from/InsertTitleHere

was replaced with Orginal Chacters?

Question 2:

Would it still be the beloved game/movie/book/etc you fell in love with if the names were changed and nothing else was?

Question 3:

What if the author also made the actions and everything else change because their characters aren't the old ones?

Question 4:

Do you love your country? I'm serrious, I'm not just asking to get brownie points when the FBI or CIA come to check my computer. I love America, or what America was about a decade ago. Anyways.

Question 5:

If I/you were put back in time two centuries ago and still in the same country, would it be the land that we love?

Question 6:

Even further back? Like to the middle ages, doesn't apply to me so much because America wasn't founded back then, but still let's go with it. So I ask again: Would that be your country, the place that you love, would you love it if you were put even further back?

Question 7:

Do you recognize what your work of fiction is doing in terms of the questions above? No one is familer, the place isn't the same, there is none of the activities that were in the show.

Not true! Alas, it is Not True! While it is true, I think, that they found in egypt, carved thousands and thousands of years ago that everything that can be written has been written (and look at us now!), that is not true. There is cross contamination, pollution, everywhere.

While if I changed all the names of all the characters in Harry Potter that would be plagerisim. But what if I completely changed the world that they lived in and everything else?

Oh, I admit, it can be a fine line, but inspiration doesn't mean plagerisim.

*staggers backward, shakes head* "Woah! Thats a lot!"

Answer 1:
No, probably not

Answer 2:
It'd be the same thing, yes

Answer 3:
Then...it wouldn't be the same because...different things are happening

Answer 4:
yes (well...I thought I new where you were going with this...but now...)

Answer 5:
Hard to say...

Answer 6:
I think i might get where you're going with this...

Answer 7:
Alright, I see where you're going with this...
But what are you saying...What is the point you're trying to get across to me?

I see.

Right out of the gate, i'll say "It did not all come out of my head." Because, well, it didn't.

Ex of a 'quoted scene':
Chapter 1:
That is several scenes that lead to the end of the Comp. game "Thief: Deadly Shadows"
(Random Fun Fact: I got the name Soulforge from Thief 2, though i used the name, it is for an unrelated place)

If you guys could help me keep from plagarising, I would appreciate it.

How do you mean?

This, *gestures at your fic* is not the land that we love. These are not the characters we have cheered on. You write better than many here, you can improve to writting well. But of what you have written I do not see the fan part of your fiction.

I do not see Dragon Booster in anything you have written thus far. I do not see a realm where dragons and humans once had a glorius empire together. I do not see a world where there was war and the dragons were subjugated and rose up against their oppesors. I see no gold draconium, I see no glimmer of King Authur here. I see nothing of the fandom at all besides a few throw away words.

Furthermore you are breaking canon. The gold-star dragons, like Beau, were around 10000 years ago, dragon city is only 5000 years old. So you shouldn't have winged reptiles anyways.

OH DRAT!! I just noticed a massive flaw.

(i have countless more scenes than what i have posted; if i can get them right, I will post them too. Hopefully, that will help eliminate some confusion)

For a while, I have been 'playing around' with some of the scenes and I just realized that i have two of them mixed when they shouldn't have been.

I just fixed it though...

What are we but the sum of our parts? And what are our parts but bits of all the lives that have ever touched our own?

It doesn't matter how many sources or how few sources you draw from so long as there's enough goo of you everywhere else.

Look, let's hypothetically say we have a writing competition. We are given the same premise and write. Are our stories the same? Are we plagerizing off of each other?

What if more than a premise is given, plot points and such are also things we need to meet. Will our stories be the same? Will we be plagerizing off of each other?

The answer is again and again no. Stories are diffrent, not the same, and it has to have enough sameness to be plagerisim. Ah, but you say, we're doing it at the same time, not taking ideas from each other or others. Fine.

Maybe I want to write a story. Okay. And I want space ships in it! Okay space ships, but I can't get too exact and steal someone elses's technology idea so I have to come up with my own. But still! And I can use wormholes or something like that because most space-operas have wormholes in them as the major mode of travel.

What else do I want? I want Dragons! Yay Dragons! Talking Dragons, Telepathic Dragons! Okay I put that in, but again, no stealing Pern dragons or Heart'sblood Dragons. But I can still put them in I just can't make my dragons breath fire from eating rocks (maybe I can though if I twist enough), no compound eyes, and no giving people telepathy from sleeping in a dragon's womb.

And I want talking telepathic horsies! Which is in Valdemar AND in the Oath of Swords universe. Infact, I can have my magic horsies choose only the most valient and special of people!

I also want rings with super magic powers! That's fine, I can do almost any **** I want with that so long as I don't steal names or refer to one as The One Ring. But again I could probably have a master ring.

Okay, whatelse can I feindishly rip off? Oh yes, I want a huuuuge city with dragons and people in it and a religion about the dragons! AND I'm going to rip off what little I know about the left behind serries.

Enough plagerisim for you? Not a real story, just a premise I cooked up. Check it out:

Garrett, Sarah? How much of that tripe is plagerisim?

*makes a loud rude noise* You loose at the example game.

And it's the name of a novel by those DragonLance Authors. And I think there's actually soulforges in Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain. One word a plagerist doth not make.

Try again.

Look up some real information on plagerisim vs paraphrasing vs sythesis

You still have the major overlying and underlying problems to fix with the fic.

But you know what takes the cake? What's ab-so-lute-ly friggan hilairious? (Either that or kinda retarded) You're making all this noise about how you don't want to be a plagerist and such...

And yet...You don't have a disclaimer anywhere on your fic!

I don't know any of these other sources you're getting it from, Garrett, but I did get the impression what you were taking might have been sufficient to require a disclaimer.

Definition time:

"Copyright infringement" is playing on someone else's turf, using concepts copyrighted to someone else.

"Plagiarism" is stealing, ie. taking credit for words and concepts not our own.

"Fair use" is using someone's copyrighted work in the context of a parody or other protected speech.

When we write a DB fic using our own words, the DB characters, and a disclaimer (or just post it somewhere were everyone is aware it's a DB fic, such as here), it is copyright infringement, though it may possibly be fair use. It is not plagiarism because we are not claiming credit for anything we did not write.

When we copy-and-paste a Sherlock Holmes story changing the main characters' names to "Basil Sherringford" and "Hamish J. Dawson", we are not infringing copyright (because the work's copyright has expired), but we are plagiarising (somewhat debatable as the works are incredibly well-known therefore nobody's likely to try to pass them off as their own, but if someone did have that intention it would certainly be plagiarism).

When we mutilate Barbies, call it art and then sell it, it is fair use, because it is parody.

More detailed definition of plagiarism:

"Plagiarism" is clear use of another's ideas that goes beyond generic concepts into paraphrase or copy-and-paste. Consider it as a line shading from white into black: on the left is that rarity, a completely original idea; somewhat further right is a story using basic plot concepts such as "child grows up" or "lovers can't get together due to external circumstances" but which otherwise shows little influence from other works; in the middle is a story which shows definite influence of other stories but scatters and dilutes its references in such a way that a charge of plagiarism could possibly be defended against; and to the right is a story that takes not just ideas, but long quotes as well from another work without giving due credit. Some cases of possible plagiarism are dubious and deserve only a caution if that; others are more serious. It is not an issue that is always easily decided, due to the ambiguity found in language.
Having a character who would reasonably do so quote well-known works is not plagiarism (the fact that the works are well-known substitutes for a disclaimer); fanfiction is not plagiarism.

Now, as for you:

Simple ideas = not plagiarism. There are only around thirty-seven basic plots out there, after all.

Altering = provided it's altered enough, not plagiarism. Altering enough is defined as "being sufficiently altered for a reader not to be able to tell the origin even if given both stories". A boy with a scar and a destiny goes to Wogwarts School of Witchery with two close friends and defeats an evil wizard? Plagiarism of Harry Potter. A girl goes to Selene Academy of Trans-Dimensional Sorcery, explores various dimensions, and finds out her mother's identity? Not plagiarism of Harry Potter.

Full out quoted scenes = plagiarism. For sure. If there's a disclaimer and it's fanfiction, so that we know where the quote's from and don't attribute it to you, that's fine. But if that disclaimer isn't up and the quote isn't something famous, it's plagiarism.

If you want to do a massive crossover with DB, that's fine, really. Just either explain what you're crossing over with, or else thoroughly adapt the basic idea to the DB world. (Explaining what will also attract audiences from that fandom, because what you've got here isn't attractive to someone from the DB fandom.)

Case: a fanficcer straight-out applied the plot of an anime to DB without a disclaimer involved. Result: readers assumed the plot was something she came up with, therefore plagiarism. Case Two: a fanficcer takes the basic idea of an anime (ghosts returning to the world) and adapts the plot to DB (due to the Mystic Grey Amulet Of Mundi found in the Mechanists' Caves, some of the dead such as the original Dragon Booster, Zulay and the first Prophet start materialising in Dragon City, cue chaos). Result: no longer plagiarised, merely inspired by a basic idea that was turned into something more original.

How's that?

What exactly has this got to do with Dragon Booster? I can see the dragons, yes, but in DB, the dragons neither fly (they can glide using artificial wings, though, but Beau has his own) nor breathe fire and rain burninating death upon the masses below. Yours do. Thus, unless for some reason the writers have suddenly decided to change everything for some bizarre reason, your fic has litle and/or nothing to do with DB at all.

What?

*fades into the background, sprints to the posts, adds disclamers*
*sprints back* *breathing heavily* *nervous laughter* "heh, heh, uh...Yes i do! sure! Of course I..heh..uh..do"

Alright, so, what i'm getting from this is:
#1. You want me to shut up about plagarism, copywrite infringement, Blah blah blah blah and so on, and put my disclamers/refrences and the like, throughout it.

#2. TIE IT IN TO DRAGON BOOSTER!!

Am I wrong? Did I miss anything?


EDIT:
P.S. I almost forgot, Earlier I said that this was a history of Dragon city; That wasn't the right word for it. That was my mistake. I appologise for any and all confusion.
(I don't know any other way to say it, so, here goes nothing, sorry if it's unclear)
It is not REALLY a history, I guess you could call it that if you REALLY wanted to.
I had meant it to be a "history" like the movie "Forest Gump" was.
A man going through his life, who just happened to be involved in several important events (such as the founding of Dragon City(or something like that)) and not realise that they are, infact, important (like the founding of Dragon City).

You basically went, "See, I did plagerize, look at this one word I used that I got from another game!" I responded that that one word is in a lot of diffrent places and thus not plagerisim.

I'm glad you still manage to have a sence of humor, this is a good sign.

Also, don't put disclaimers and referances in quotes, it makes it seem like you're condesending or somesuch; like you're putting them in air quotes.

Basically none of us belive you have plagerized. If you truely have pulled down scenes wholesale from another source and modified them to your story, show it to us. Most games have scripts on the internet now, try gamefaqs. Put the salient parts up and put up your version.

Don't worry, If it's not plagerisim I will roll my eyes.

However, if it really is plagerisim I will come up and smack you and ask why couldn't you come up with your own scene, or change this scene more? And then I might help you with it. Maybe

That's a big ole YES for number two.

I don't think so.

Forest Gump works because we know about the major events already. And there was sufficient 'unimportant' flashbacks to make us like the guy and give us some concept of him.

Also, Forest Gump is a big flashback from the present. Yours just seems to be anchient past that makes no sence given canon. Go to DragonBooster.com and check out the mythology.

I'm being generous here but you MAY be able to make this Db compliant if you drop DragonCity and change it to the founding of the Golden Empire.

I see.

Why wouldn't I? Is there some hidden meaning in this conversation that I missed?

Sorry, force of habit. It was not my intention to sound condesending.

Hmmm..I wonder what he meant by that?
He-he. I just might have an idea of how to do that (evil grin).

I used Forest Gump because it is the closest thing to what i had intended to do.

Founding of the Golden Empire (muses) hmm..I like that idea..Might just use it!
Do you mind if I do?


P.S.
Earlier, you brought up the subject of cross-overs between DB and other things.

And, now that i think about it, yes, that would be a fair assessment.

Well I am kinda tearing into you. Fanthngs on FFN would have been screaching by now about how it's JUST FANFIC and nyahnyahnyah. I've seen an LJ icon about it actually, funny stuff.

Go ahead, just make it more DragonBooster-y. Of course my view on the dragons and humans teaming up is..well I think the terms I used were something like: "You poor weak hairless monkeys. Stop brandishing your sticks about and sit down so we can civilize you."

Tearing it to me? (chuckles)
Nah, you got nothing to worry about.

You're not tearing it to me. Other times, I have been sworn at, threatened to be sued, banned, and so on and so forth until the cows come home... (these were for things that caught me TOTALY by suprise. The reviewers had found refrences to racist, sexist, and anti-religious things that the average reader would have only found if he/she was hellbent on finding them)

Unless you start swearing at me, you won't insult or anger me.

Give me all you got! Have a hay-day with it. Tear it up line by line. shred every word. Nuke it! have a full-out frontal assault on it. You won't anger or offend me. That's why i put it up here; So that it could be reviewed, revised and "Dragon-ized" (hehe. that rymes.) I want to hear EVERYTHING you have to say about it.

Tell me if you Abhor and Loathe it (but tell me why, and how I can change that). Tell me even the most RANDOM idea about the story, and how I can work it in.
Tell me if it is the greatest love of your life, and why. (I'll be concerned if it is, currently)

I want to hear what you have to say.

In fact, I have a challenge for you that I hope should increase positive modivation and effectiveness for reviewing:
I challenge you to, without swearing, TRY to get me angry or offended.
(about the story, of course, you silly silly person)

Have fun with it.

Tell me what's on your mind (for the story).

Hey now! That's not fair! I can't even read the story it's so boring. Me ripping it up line by line takes precious time I don't want to waste on you or it, and will bore me to tears.

...Though maybe if I read it I will finally be able to cross my eyes. With your careful instruction I too can be a circus freak.

Truth be told I find both you and the story to be absolutely pretentious and unworthy. You are on that irritating line of literacy, no where good enough to actually read, but without the decency to show how annoying and boring your story line is with bad grammar and formatting. At least the fools within the Pit of Voles have the manners to flag their stories as tripe so I can hit the back button as soon as the story loads.

Hey, that's a thought; did you take your English classes at Pit of Voles University for Raping the English Language? You took higher level courses, I can tell, you use drugs and other methods to put your victim to sleep or lull it into a false sense of security.

Of course then you hit us with the first typed out yell, badly done stuttering, generic fantasy names, and unimaginative generic fantasy world. It's tripe, it's disgusting just like the real tripe. But at least with sheep entrails you can actually digest it and make it palatable. The thing is you don't seem to realize that when you fix up major goofs with the scenes NO ONE CARES because despite all the replies NO ONE HAS READ YOUR FIC.

Why don't you STOP writing this bit of trash for a few days and sign up for National Novel Writers Month and start again on the first? Then at least you'll be accomplishing something besides boring us all to sleep. You'll be in rarefied company, of course. I've read a NaNo novel or two and unlike this they were actually GOOD.

But who knows? There's got to be at least one other pompous, long winded, simpleton who writes as badly as you do. If you're lucky they might even be worse! Then you can feel good about yourself for an actual reason! Won't that be wonderful?

It will be wonderful for us because then you won't be coming here to our board to post your opus and polluting our little community. Why don't you run along, get educated, and leave us alone.

am i that obvious?

All you gotta do is show me how! Pitt of Voles indeed!

Excellent! It is working then!

Well, one thing i don't understand is: If no one read it, How do they know it's so bad?

If you want me to stop, all you gotta do is say the word!

Yes, in fact, it would! Thanks for the advice! (evil grin) you'll be the first to know! (besides me)

Oh, no. You can't get rid of me that easily! I didn't go to the Pit of Voles for 6 years just to leave on your whim! (evil grin)

A+ for your effort, C- for your achivement. You can do better than that.
Try again! If you want to!

But, seriously, if you want me to stop posting and leave, I will.

Childish and inane. D minus.

Aww, Profesor Frost! Do you mean me, or his responce?


As to how we know without reading your fic, here:

Okay I have to stop typing now. Do you know it was HARD for me to write like that? Though I admit it's not a perfect analogue to your writting. However, name a fandom you don't like or aren't into. Pic a decent, but not great fic from that fandom's section of your alma mater. Read it. Now pretend it really is a Dragon Booster fic--it just takes place someplace far far away from Dragon City in a time where everything was diffrent.

Get my point?

I think it fits for both.

What, the "Kit said "AAAAAAHHH!"" thing or the one before that?

Not remotely. Please P.M. me and tell me what you mean.

Is this well-meant concrit and feedback, or is it degenerating into a flame war? Lighten up, all of you.

I agree. I'm not sucking up to LF either; Nemi's reviews scared me and the arguments that just broke out are fierce.

As for the fic, does need a bit of work. When I get back online since I've run out of time, I will give a better review.

...Quick quick question.

Does anyone read what he said?

I am being serrious, and feeling a bit victimized if I'm being honest. Not alot, since I'm not being jumped on, but a bit. Here's a quote.

He said it, not me. Both of you focused on my answer to his challenge. And not the fact that he challenged and his playful responce. My responce was a reply to his challenge and in good spirits. If it wasn't in good spirits he said he'd leave if I asked him to. Which I didn't.

When LF posted thinking it might be a flame war I sighed and leaned back, someone would point it out. But no. So now I reply and point out what was so obviously missed because I HATEHATEHATE with a firey passion being falsely accused more than anything else. It makes me terribly angry because it's happened before with real life consequences because no one wants to belive me, now you're doing it when the facts are right there infront of you, you just over look it because...because I don't know why. And now, in addtion to other things, I'm left feeling angry for no good reason, faintly victimized, and insulted.

Guess again. See the italicised 'all'? Yeah, all means all. Not one.

It's true. I did ask for it. And, truth be told, I actually don't mind!

This thread is dead. I screwed up with the Fic (that was, in fact, not of this particular fandom).

I'm gonna withdraw from this thread (A.K.A. stop posting for a short time), fix it, and post the relevant and "Dragon-ized" version.

If that's alright, of course!

Sure, it's always great to read a new fic.

Almost done.

Oh, before I forget, Should I post the 'correct' version on this thread, or start a new one?