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Title: Production Ceased?
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Daigerus - June 12, 2006 07:54 AM (GMT)
...is this for real?

I've been to Wikipedia lately and checked out the article of Dragon Booster. I saw new stuff there, but then I came across this (copied and pasted in case it gets cut out later):

June 10th, 2006 In an interview with Matt Hill (Artha Penn), at Concordia University's Otakuthon convention, Dragon Booster failed to pull togther large enough fan base and production has currently ceased on the series. He stated "We did not get the following 13 episodes". When asked why the series lost it's bid for more episodes, Hill responded "They were not selling enough action figures."

Do we need to recruit more fans for good ol' DB, or is this a hoax/false rumor? I tried to check out for this info in other sites assocaited with Dragon Booster, but only Wikipedia seems to have this news for now.

To me, I just find it hard to believe and yet it makes sense why they stopped at the end of Season 2 here in the USA. Does anyone else agree along the same lines?

SilverDragon - June 12, 2006 09:43 AM (GMT)
I doubt it's for real.

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Dragon Booster failed to pull togther


Note the spelling errors. If this was real information, the person entering it would have a better grasp of the English language.

And the '13 episodes'. There are not 13 episodes left, there are six.

Case closed.

Burnout Beau - June 12, 2006 10:24 AM (GMT)
WHAT??? :faint: :faint:

No no no! Not now. Not when the petition for more eppies is still going on. About 650 people had signed the petition already for more eppies. They can't just abandon the series just because not enough action figures were being sold.

The series is getting very exciting at this stage and abandoning it is going to hurt the feelings of many fans who are still loyal to the show.

I hope that message in Wikipedia is just a rumour, or even false, as what SilverDragon thinks.

silverwing - June 13, 2006 02:37 AM (GMT)
Hopefully it is fake. You can not always trust Wikipedia as a reliable source as they have stuff such as the invisible pink unicorn and the spaghetti monster as other things you can look up. So hopefully it is false information as you think if the show was being cancelled then they would give that information on the official DB website. :poof:

Airshadow - June 13, 2006 03:29 AM (GMT)
YAH!!!!!

I think that is a fake!!!!!


if something like that would happen then will appear in offoical site

Besides we can ask 3D pete for more accurate info he's involved in DB's production.

OK

who would be the bravest to aske him=????


Furox?

MinervaRahn - June 13, 2006 04:09 AM (GMT)
I totally agree that this is a fake, without a doubt! :)

Skylii - June 13, 2006 04:36 AM (GMT)
I'm thinking fake. (And puh-LEEZE, "they were not selling enough action figures"?! The show has earned a Gemini, has a nice budget, has a Nitendo DS game, and even succeeded in selling McDonalds figurines. I doubt that they would try to boost up their business with the action figures alone.


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Besides we can ask 3D pete for more accurate info he's involved in DB's production.

OK

who would be the bravest to aske him=????


Furox?


Well, in truth, anyone of us could ask Pete, or Rob, if he still goes on.

It's most likely fake. Gimme a few more sites with this information (with different wording but the same info) and I'll reconsider my position. (And no, mirrored sites don't count.)

The Furox - June 13, 2006 05:49 AM (GMT)
Not selling enough action figures wouldn't by itself be a reason to shut down production of a show. The TV stations make their money off the advertising revenue from the commercials that run during a show. Though depending on how much money they fronted to the production, they might have gotten some kind of percentage of the toy sales in return. But either way, the main reason a show wouldn't continue would be poor ratings, not toy sales.

Of course, it is true that none of the networks have ordered more episodes past the first 39, so it's possible Matt was referring to that and the message got garbled the way things so frequently are. When he allegedly said they didn't get the following 13 episodes, he could have referred to the next 13 past the first 39, which so far as I know is true. And at the moment at least, it is also true that production will cease whenever Nerd Corps wraps up episode 39.

We'll have to see if we hear anything more.



Sarah Frost - June 13, 2006 08:53 AM (GMT)
Wikipedia's not a reliable source, but if one bothers to read the articles on the invisible pink unicorn and the Flying Sphagetti monster, it's not hard to understand that the point of these creations is that they're not real creatures, and people may very well enjoy finding out information about fictional characters. I frequently look up anime and comic book characters in Wikipedia; generally, the information there is good enough to rely on for that purpose but not so much for school assignments.

Kereea - June 13, 2006 10:44 AM (GMT)
And if it is true, which I seriosuly(i can't spell that word if my life depended on it) doubt, it would help if a store around here would sell the action figures! I can't find 'em! I wanted a Moordryd one! What stores sell them?

Hunter - June 13, 2006 05:36 PM (GMT)
But there's still that chance of it being true.......*has heart attack at the thought*

Kereea - June 13, 2006 06:15 PM (GMT)
Ooh! :( This is so going the way of Shinzo, excpt that came back to end the series before it finally went off for good.

silverwing - June 13, 2006 06:47 PM (GMT)
The information on the invisisble pink unicorn and the spaghetti monster are very funny and I got a few chuckles from them. If none of you have read them, you might want to look them up as they are worth a few minutes of entertainment. Although the information on DB should have been put on the official website if it was a quote, I think other websites on DB would have had it also. So I guess we will have to wait and see if any new episodes come out within the next few months.

The Furox - June 13, 2006 08:06 PM (GMT)
I contacted 3Dpete and asked him about the statement from Matt Hill on wikipedia. Here's what he said (he told me it was OK to post his response here; he said he would have posted himself but he's tied up with work):

QUOTE (3Dpete)
There's no chance that we won't get all 39 episodes done since I'm starting on EP37 next week, and the others are in preproduction already! Maybe Matt Hill was talking about a possible 4th season, but I'm not sure. I've heard the ratings are bad, but nothing about action figures or anything.

Thanks to everyone that signed the petition, it's amazing to see 700 positive remarks like that! I'm sure you can hit 1000 given enough time.

So assuming Matt said anything at all at Otakuthon, he must have been referring to the fact that none of the networks have ordered season 4 as of yet (which we already knew). Given that all 39 episodes have been ordered and are in production, I'm confident that Jetix will air season 3 here in the US probably in October when the new TV season traditionally begins. So I wouldn't worry about the show ending any sooner than episode 39.

And keep telling your friends about the petition. I'd like to see how far we can go with that.

I also asked him how things were going in general and he said:

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Things are going well, and we're gearing up Storm Hawks production - which I gotta say - is looking unbelievable.

There's a little bit of information on Storm Hawks on the project page on nerdcorps.ca for anyone who's interested.

QUOTE (Kereea @ Jun 13 2006, 03:44 AM)
it would help if a store around here would sell the action figures!

Yeah, it would really help if you could actually get the action figures. They certainly don't make it easy to get them.

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I can't find 'em! I wanted a Moordryd one! What stores sell them?

I only know of three places to get the action figures: amazon.com, Kay Bee Toy Stores in the US and Toys R Us in South Africa. Kay Bee is the only brick and mortar store I know of in the US that carries DB toys, and they only carry the Super Speed racers, not the regular action figures. Amazon.com has most, but not all, of the action figures. SheWulph found the complete line of action figures at Toys R Us in South Africa. I'm still looking for a store that will special order the remaining figures for me here. No luck yet.

MinervaRahn - June 14, 2006 12:21 AM (GMT)
Wow! Storm Hawks look amazing! is it the same 3D animation used on Dragon Booster? or is it all drawn animation? cause it looks like 3D but then also traditional! XD XD gah making my head spin but whatever! I'm really lookin forward with their new project ;) yay! :dance:

The Furox - June 14, 2006 12:37 AM (GMT)
I would imagine that Storm Hawks is all 3D animation since Nerd Corps is a CGI house. I hope they put a trailer up soon so we can get a better idea of what the show will be like. The only hitch for us here in the US is that it says "Coming to YTV in 2007". YTV is a Canadian station so it doesn't look like any of the US networks have picked it up yet, which means there's no telling when we might see it.

Burnout Beau - June 14, 2006 02:53 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Furox @ Jun 14 2006, 06:06 AM)
QUOTE (3Dpete)
I've heard the ratings are bad, but nothing about action figures or anything.


Ratings are bad? That can't be right. According to TV.com, the show got a rating of 8.0. Isn't that supposed to be good? :unsure:

The Furox - June 14, 2006 06:24 AM (GMT)
Those are just votes cast by anyone who visits their site. That number is unscientific and has nothing to do with the ratings the TV industry uses. If you're in the US, you've probably heard of the Nielson ratings. Those are the ones that count.

IbanezJFS - June 14, 2006 08:12 AM (GMT)
Like I said befor. Jetix does a really crappy Job at promoting its shows. As for selling action figures....How about they put them on store shelvs instead of "Online Only". I mean, I wokr at Wal-Mart and, even though the people at Jakk Spacific said. Wal-Mart would start to carry the product...The stuff is only online. We gotta contact Jakks Pacific and tell them to put the toys on store shelvs. I really hope some other network will order some episodes. like Nickelodeon or Cartoon network. Anybody else have some ideas???

SilverDragon - June 14, 2006 10:05 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (IbanezJFS @ Jun 14 2006, 06:12 PM)
Like I said befor. Jetix does a really crappy Job at promoting its shows. As for selling action figures....How about they put them on store shelvs instead of "Online Only".  I mean, I wokr at Wal-Mart and, even though the people at Jakk Spacific said. Wal-Mart would start to carry the product...The stuff is only online. We gotta contact Jakks Pacific and tell them to put the toys on store shelvs. I really hope some other network will order some episodes. like Nickelodeon or Cartoon network. Anybody else have some ideas???

Not to be rude, Ibanez, but that would be a little more appropriate in a different topic. ;)
All you ever seem to talk about is the action figures.


Mari - June 14, 2006 12:17 PM (GMT)
Well, even if it is fake or not, we know for a fact that after season three there will be no more episodes :(

RETURN TO THE PETITION!! SIGN OR DIE! :lol:

IbanezJFS - June 14, 2006 06:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverDragon @ Jun 14 2006, 08:05 PM)
QUOTE (IbanezJFS @ Jun 14 2006, 06:12 PM)
Like I said befor. Jetix does a really crappy Job at promoting its shows. As for selling action figures....How about they put them on store shelvs instead of "Online Only".  I mean, I wokr at Wal-Mart and, even though the people at Jakk Spacific said. Wal-Mart would start to carry the product...The stuff is only online. We gotta contact Jakks Pacific and tell them to put the toys on store shelvs. I really hope some other network will order some episodes. like Nickelodeon or Cartoon network. Anybody else have some ideas???

Not to be rude, Ibanez, but that would be a little more appropriate in a different topic. ;)
All you ever seem to talk about is the action figures.

What are you talking about??? Someone said something that. the action figures werent selling. So I stated on my opinion about why they havent been selling. And, I also just stated an opinion on why its possible that the show might not be back for a 4th season....THATS ALL.

The Furox - June 15, 2006 12:14 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (IbanezJFS @ Jun 14 2006, 01:12 AM)
I really hope some other network will order some episodes. like Nickelodeon or Cartoon network.

I would imagine The Story Hat would be shopping it around to other networks if CBC and Jetix won't sign on for more episodes. Though my understanding is that the production of Dragon Booster is fairly expensive and most of the stuff Cartoon Network has done on their own has been fairly low budget shows. So I'm not sure if they have deep enough pockets.

I hope something happens. They definitely haven't done a very good job at promoting this show. The toys and the video game should have been in stores before Christmas, not afterwards. They show action figures on the show's web site, but they don't tell you where you can buy them (which here, is pretty much just amazon.com). And I think they should have done the Happy Meal promotion back in the fall when new episodes were airing. In general, new episodes are too few and far between. I think that really hurts them. It looks like they won't air any new ones until like October here, which means we will have gone nine months with only one new episode airing. That's definitely not the way to build an audience.

I just have to hope they have a better marketing campaign planned for the fall when season 3 starts running. It will be their last chance at that point.

Burnout Beau - June 15, 2006 11:22 AM (GMT)
Oh gosh. I can't imagine such a fantastic show is going to end after just 39 episodes :( . *gives worried impression* I just hope the petition for more eppies will be successful...

silverwing - June 15, 2006 04:05 PM (GMT)
That gets me wondering, if they will be able to finish the plot within 39 epsiodes or just leave off as a cliffhanger ending. I know that the story was suppose to be a couple more seasons than that but one has to wonder what the 39th episode will resolve. :)

The Furox - June 16, 2006 01:46 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Burnout Beau @ Jun 15 2006, 04:22 AM)
I just hope the petition for more eppies will be successful...

Well, it's over 700 signatures now (though someone is clearly signing multiple times, and since it's so obvious, it hurts the credibility of the petition). I'm confident it will reach 1000 probably in another month. However, I think it will need to reach more like 10,000 to have an effect. Still, I'm not giving up yet.

QUOTE (silverwing @ Jun 15 2006, 09:05 AM)
That gets me wondering, if they will be able to finish the plot within 39 epsiodes or just leave off as a cliffhanger ending.  I know that the story was suppose to be a couple more seasons than that but one has to wonder what the 39th episode will resolve. :)

Yeah, I heard the original plan was to have the overall story play out over five seasons (65 episodes). Whether or not they've changed the plan given that the networks haven't ordered more episodes, I don't know. I personally hope they didn't change the plan. I would like to hold out hope that more episodes might get ordered and that they could then tell the story the way they originally intended instead of artificially truncating it. I worry that if they try to wrap up all story threads up in season 3 that it will seem rushed and contrived.

We know Nerd Corps is now working on the last three episodes in season 3, so whatever they decided to do has been done. We'll just have to wait and see what that ended up being.

silverwing - June 16, 2006 02:27 AM (GMT)
Well one can only hope that Nerdcorps realizes that there are dedicated fans out there who would be extremely happy if they did finsh off the series as it was meant to be. Maybe if we are lucky then another company might pick it up even though the show is on the third season. Fingers crossed for that to happen. :plot:

Airshadow - June 16, 2006 04:05 AM (GMT)
Me too


TO be honest it's the only intereswting show right now, but I guess that a New Dragon human war will start

hey

what if theystarted a show with Dragon booster chars butjust continouing it??

and why not we just ask to MAgna draconis and 3Dpete?

Nayade - June 16, 2006 04:53 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Furox @ Jun 16 2006, 11:46 AM)
Yeah, I heard the original plan was to have the overall story play out over five seasons (65 episodes).

That would have been so nice.

dRagOniDe - June 17, 2006 02:24 AM (GMT)
DB can't get cancelled!!! Even though, DB must have more announcements!! Many people don't know it because Jetix *mainly Latinoamerican and the US* doesn't announce it that much. I haven't seen many announcements..

If DB wants more fans, it has to be announced more!!

Alliandra - June 17, 2006 12:20 PM (GMT)
I don't think they would have stopped production completely. They might have paused it, or slowed it down, but they won't just leave a series that's been airing on TV unfinished. That would upset the fans they DO have too much and might put them off other shows the company might make. The other seasons might not air, but I think they'll probably make them.
Either that or they might condense the entire series down and end it a few seasons earlier than planned.
Anyway, from the sound of what 3Dpete said the people who are actually making the show don't hear much about the ratings and the sale of mechandise and that they don't actually effect the production itself, just whether or not they air on TV(I know that's just as bad, but at least the show is made and there's the possibility of a network airing it a couple of years down the track or something).
I might be entirely wrong, that's just the impression I get from what's been posted here and from production companies in general.

Mari - June 17, 2006 01:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Airshadow @ Jun 16 2006, 02:05 PM)
and why not we just ask to MAgna draconis and 3Dpete?

That sounds good. We should PM them, and perhaps E-mail as well. Who wants to do it? I'm too lazy. :D

Burnout Beau - June 17, 2006 02:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Furox @ Jun 16 2006, 11:46 AM)
Yeah, I heard the original plan was to have the overall story play out over five seasons (65 episodes). Whether or not they've changed the plan given that the networks haven't ordered more episodes, I don't know. I personally hope they didn't change the plan. I would like to hold out hope that more episodes might get ordered and that they could then tell the story the way they originally intended instead of artificially truncating it. I worry that if they try to wrap up all story threads up in season 3 that it will seem rushed and contrived.

We know Nerd Corps is now working on the last three episodes in season 3, so whatever they decided to do has been done. We'll just have to wait and see what that ended up being.

If the intial plan is to have 65 episodes, then this could mean one possibility :plot: ; the D-H War might happen.

It makes sense. The war is perhaps the best way/reason to have that many episodes rather than just 39. There will certainly be a lot of conflicts going on between the characters or even between crews during the war, or perhaps there will be more secrets and revelations of the first D-H War to be unveiled. If 39 episodes were to be produced only, this mean that the war will not happen and the show might end peacefully.

Now I'm starting to wonder; if the petition for more episodes were to be successful, does this mean that the new episodes that we might get will be about the war? :unsure:

Airshadow - June 18, 2006 05:16 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mari @ Jun 17 2006, 08:57 AM)
QUOTE (Airshadow @ Jun 16 2006, 02:05 PM)
and why not we just ask to MAgna draconis and 3Dpete?

That sounds good. We should PM them, and perhaps E-mail as well. Who wants to do it? I'm too lazy. :D

I bvote for mail him and use PM too

alsu go to Nerd corps mail and m,ail them

and who should do it, I guess that Furox should do it5 and we shoul help him

The Furox - June 18, 2006 06:04 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Alliandra @ Jun 17 2006, 05:20 AM)
I don't think they would have stopped production completely.

Production hasn't stopped, but no more episodes will be made after they wrap production on episode 39. Jetix and CBC originally ordered 39 episodes, so those will get made and I'm reasonably certain they will all air (they paid for them, so they may as well show them).

QUOTE
They might have paused it, or slowed it down, but they won't just leave a series that's been airing on TV unfinished. That would upset the fans they DO have too much and might put them off other shows the company might make. The other seasons might not air, but I think they'll probably make them.

No, I'm afraid the other seasons won't ever get made at all until some network orders them. It's too expensive. I read that Dragon Booster costs on the order of half a million dollars per episode. Nobody can afford that unless a network has agreed to buy them ahead of time.

QUOTE (Airshadow @ Jun 17 2006, 10:16 PM)
I bvote for mail him and use PM too

alsu go to Nerd corps mail and m,ail them

and who should do it, I guess that Furox should do it5 and we shoul help him

I'm not sure what you want to ask them. I already contacted 3Dpete about the status and posted his reply above. I don't think there's anything more they can tell us until such time as a network orders more episodes.

Airshadow - June 18, 2006 06:07 AM (GMT)
SO

We can't do nothing unless sit down and wait????????

But do you think that they will produce more DB chapters?

IbanezJFS - June 20, 2006 07:10 AM (GMT)
$500,000 an episode??? Thats a little hard to believe. Did 3DPete tell you this??? Too bad theres no way we could help donate some funds. And, I hate waiting. My patience isnt the best.

Burnout Beau - June 20, 2006 07:14 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (IbanezJFS @ Jun 20 2006, 05:10 PM)
Too bad theres no way we could help donate some funds. And, I hate waiting. My patience isnt the best.

All too true, Ibanez. *sighs* I wish I could help donate too. :(

ShadowCat - June 20, 2006 09:17 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
No, I'm afraid the other seasons won't ever get made at all until some network orders them. It's too expensive. I read that Dragon Booster costs on the order of half a million dollars per episode. Nobody can afford that unless a network has agreed to buy them ahead of time.

I think that's happened with a few shows (can't remember any names right now). They've left them unfinished because a network hasn't bought them.
There's probably a pretty good chance of Dragon Booster continuing because it seems to be fairly popular, but it really depends on whether a network will think it's worth the money. There could be other reasons they might not buy it as well.

3Dpete - June 30, 2006 05:37 PM (GMT)
Hi everyone! Long time no post :)

MinervaRahn, The Furox: Storm Hawks is almost all 3D, in the same style of DB. It will be even more visually impressive. We've really perfected a lot of our processes.

The Furox: Storm Hawks has been bought by YTV in Canada, and Cartoon Network in the US. "Coming 2007" is important to note because SW will have a full year of production before it starts to air. This should mean less time waiting for new episodes.

Burnout Beau: The ratings in terms of the quality of the show have always been strong, but I think north American networks want more people watching the show. I belive the deal was always for just 39 episodes - it's not like the ratings were so bad that they canceled the next seasons. It's just there hasn't been a new deal to make more yet. (Go petition go!)

I agree with many of you, good promotion would do a lot for DB. It's a cool show, it's just not getting the best exposure.

The Furox: DB really is expensive to produce, I'm not surprised at the 500k number! :mellow:

silverwing: Nerd Corps. isn't really involved in the story of DB, but I think you'll be happy to know The Story Hat decided not to wrap up all the story threads by episode 39. As a matter of fact, there will be even more to think about by that time!


Thanks for watching, and the petition is amazing! :faint: There are some great new DB episodes still to come!




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