In Broked Bonds word said that
"Without his dragon the Dragon Booster is nothing."
Artha seems to forget this often, ne?
He always acts like it's HIM not Beau that's really the hero, while even the villan knows otherwise.
Comments?

I so completely agree, infact that pointis going to factor into my story. If Dragon Booster does something bad (as in wrong, not stupid) it's not only his fault, but Beau's as well for not stopping him, since Beau is the one who gives him the power, chose him, and let him, they would share blame equally.

While if Beau does something bad it's partially Artha's fault but mostly Beau's.

I agree with both of you. The fact that Beau has to take partial blame for the mistakes that Artha makes does not seem fair at all. Yet Beau still helps him out of those without complaining. What a loyal dragon. :lol:

I fourth that.

Beau was the one who chose Artha to be The One, the one to protect Dragon City against all opposition.

Without Beau, Artha would not:

- have his amulet
- have his gauntlet
- in a nutshell, WOULD NOT BE THE DRAGON BOOSTER
- which means he would not have Kitt
- would probably not have his friends at his side
- would probably not even be alive

If you ask me, Beau made the wrong decision.

I agree with Skylii all the way. Artha just rides Beau. Let me think. Beau has special powers. He has the roar of command.(can be used to make dragon armies)
Artha has barely any powers.(In broken bonds he made bigger wings or what ever you call them for gliding) People mostly fear Beau. Not artha really.

Well, there are two possibilities I can think of:

Firstly, if Beau were to fall into enemy's control, it would be difficult for Artha/DB to win back Beau on his own, if not impossible.

Secondly, a more tragic case. If Beau were to be gone for good, it will be an automatic game over for the Dragon Booster.

Didn't they touch on this subject in Pride of the Hero? One of my favorite episodes ^-^. I don't much care for Artha. I don't dislike him, mind you. I am glad they gave him flaws. If he wasn't arrogant, he would be far too "perfect". I have enough trouble watching the candy-colored, group laugh episodes with these flaws. Let's not have him become a completely well-rounded human being now.

That's more or less how I feel. I don't particularly like him, but I don't actively dislike him either.

Yeah, he can't be too perfect, though his repeated arrogance does get to me after a while. Luke Skywalker shows some arrogance in Star Wars episode 4, but quickly grows out of it while Artha is still showing arrogance in episode 20 "Artha the Drac". I think the writers have lingered on Artha's arrogance a bit too much and should have dispensed with it by the end of season 1.

I think the show might actually be more popular if Artha was more likable. That's one thing I've noticed about "Get Ed": even though I don't care for the premise or stories at all, Ed does come across as a more likable character than Artha does. And "Get Ed" is a much more popular show.

Artha behaves quite well in episodes like "Horn of Libris," "Track of Doom" and "Prophet's Motive". Hopefully, in season 3 he'll behave more like in these episodes.

And you're right that heroes shouldn't be perfect. The issue of arrogance is actually kind of interesting: Artha's arrogance comes across as annoying, but then the arrogance that a character like Inuyasha exhibits in almost every episode doesn't for some reason. Despite his arrogance, Inuyasha always remains a very likable character. I noticed this quite early on when I just started watching Dragon Booster, and I'm still not exactly sure why this is the case.

The only thing I've noticed is that the stories in Inuyasha make it very clear that Inuyasha cares deeply for all his friends, Kagome in particular of course, even though he never really admits it. In comparison, I don't think Artha seems as caring towards his friends, or at least the scripts don't show it quite the same way. Of course, there are plenty of cases where Artha risks his life to save Lance or Kitt, but for some reason it doesn't quite come across the same way as it does in Inuyasha. I wish I could put my finger on exactly why this is, but I haven't been able to. I could probably learn a lot more about writing if I could identify this more clearly.

Anybody else have thoughts on this?

Yeah, definitely. Beau has all the real power and the prophecy even says that the return of the gold dragon is what can prevent the war. Without Beau, Artha doesn't have much. He'd still have the DB suit of armor, which clearly protects him from injury and enhances his strength to some degree, and he can now glide with it a bit. But that's not much compared to what Beau can do.

Of course, the storyline is set up so that Beau can't accomplish what he needs to do without Artha either. Beau needs the Dragon Booster to release his full power, and he seems to be quite limited without Artha and gaunlet/amulet. Also, the humans seem to be much better at strategy than the dragons. So it also seems like Beau needs Artha for strategic planning as well: the humans provide strategy and direction, while the dragons provide the strength and power to implement the strategy. Though it's always hard to tell since the dragons don't talk. This aspect could just be a by-product of the fact that the humans have all the dialogue and therefore seem to be doing all the planning.

In any event, I've always said that Beau is the real hero of the show and that will always be true for me. :D

It's because Inuyasha has his "evil" moments. He's more unpredictable, certainly not your completely cliche', proverbial Golden Boy. DB presents Artha like the generally well-rounded hero. Characters like Inuyasha have MANY minor flaws and strengths. The line between right and wrong has a very large gray area. With Artha, it seems the writers are trying to teach us lessons. Right and wrong have to be excruciatingly obvious. This is fine for most viewers, under the age of twelve....and also the reason why most of its older audience lean towards Moordryd, Cain, Rivett, ect...

I think you may be right about Artha's right and wrong behavior being designed to be excruciatingly obvious. That would definitely tend to hurt his likability, at least for us older viewers.

With Inuyasha, I always saw his evil side as a sort of metaphor in some sense. I tend to think it represents the part of all of us that can fly off into an out of control rage (everything from temper tantrums to road rage and beyond). It's a sort of warning not to behave that way.

Also, I've noticed that Artha seems much more easily distracted by self indulgence than Inuyasha. Inuyasha can definitely be selfish in the sense that he can ignore the feelings of others at times or decide not to act when he doesn't see the advantage to himself, but he doesn't seem to get caught up in the type of self indulgence that Artha does, such as when Artha gets caught up in the hero worship he receives in "Artha the Drac". If there were a character like Vociferous in the Inuyasha world, I doubt Inuyasha would pay any attention to him. Artha on the other hand, seems to crave that sort of attention, which is certainly a negative to his likability.

But this of course gets back to your point about Artha's right and wrong having to be overly obvious. So I think that seems to be part of what's going on.

Not to drag this off topic but...I dunno...I disagree. I think Inuyasha's "evil" is just his personality. I don't think they were going for any sort of metaphor what-so-ever. I also think that he would be very susceptible to getting caught up in the spotlight. He just doesn't have the opportunity because he's a half demon and, thus, generally hated by the masses instead of praised. But...back on topic...:D

Okay being new here defintely has some disadvantages. Ohh whew I am done reading. But I am glad I read what I did. I agreed with everything said. But I do have to say, I kinda liked Artha before I read all this. But not it has given me new thoughts about him and with that. I'll start to pay attention better in the show. Not that I haven't...I mean.

Anyway, I think DB rushes to much and doesn't always take in everything that is being taught to him. Since he used to play those game thingies(forgot word). I think he sees it as a game to him. Being the "hero" maybe he assumes that just like his games the hero must always win. So he takes pride in that and that raises his arrogance. Him being the "hero" and all. Secretly though I think Kitt would've made a better DB. She is not to full of herself. Quick with thinking and quick period. She takes time to think out situations instead of just rushing right in. Like last night at 10pm. I was watching Return of Drakkus part 2 and what does Artha do? He rushes right in when Mortis said not to. When Kitt and Lance and Parmon said not to. In the end he just gets Mortis hurt. Then he feels sorry for himself..blah..blah blah. Then he finds out Mortis is his dad. Instead of understanding why mortis kept that from him. He gets all mad. ( I would to). Then they go out and fight. It isn't him who defeats or hurts Drakkus. It Mortis. His father. If anything he should have taken notes. It should have calmed his ego. Seeing that he can't do it all.( he couldn't without Beau's help anyways). Giving him more respect for his father and actually taking time to stop and learn the skills needed for a DB.

Yea I don't know if any of that made since. I am sorry if noone understands it. I do. But i don't know if it got what I was thinking out. Believe it or not but I had a point.^^

I watched that last night as well...which brings me back to some of the overly obvious points in the show...I'd never seen Wor-::cough::...oh, I mean Drakkus before :rolleyes: . Does this show not have enough obvious "secret" identities? "Oh, please ignore the fact that I am not only the same height, build, have the same voice, skills, and a very similar dragon to that of ____. I'm so, obviously a completely different person because of this nifty helmet!" Only marginally better stealth skills than those of Superman.

[/QUOTE]Yeah, he can't be too perfect, though his repeated arrogance does get to me after a while. Luke Skywalker shows some arrogance in Star Wars episode 4, but quickly grows out of it while Artha is still showing arrogance in episode 20 "Artha the Drac". I think the writers have lingered on Artha's arrogance a bit too much and should have dispensed with it by the end of season 1.[/QUOTE]


The difference I see is that Artha is 16 and is still an arrogant boy (No offense) teenager. Luke had major emotional scarring!!!! Especially with the whole "Luke I am your Father, NOOOOOOOOOOO!" thing!! I don't think Artha went through the exact same thing. And luke has an arm chopped off, no super powered dragon to help him, and had a lot more training than Artha did.

Ya' can't get to mad at Artha for being arrogant! He's a 16 year old BOY!!
(Once again, No offense....)

He has great friends that even eachother out making them a great team!!
Like kitt, with the will power and the skills, Parm with the technology stuff, Lance, with the Little brother whose cute thing, and Artha who also has some of the skills and the awsome super powered Dragon, who lets not forget, chose Him For A Reason!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even though some of you might think Beau made a bad choice, I'm sot entirely sure, but I think He made An Excellent Choice!

Even though he's arrogant, and sometimes takes his awsome team of Friends for Granted, (He's there for them, and They're there for him, and that's what matters.)
He still is the Dragon Booster, and He and Beau and everyone else will lay a part in the show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are so right Raina! Wow, I never even thought of that! I applaud you, newbie or not!

Easy. Half of the time Inu's arrogance is a mask. Artha's got no reason not to act kind, or nice, or humble, he's just naturally arrogant.

Incorrect Salazaar(love the name BTW). Lance tried using the amulet and gaunlet in episode....um.....don't remeber at the momnet... :P Anywhao, it didn't work. I think it needs Baue to work.

Me too! Good point. :cookie:


Question along the lines of Artha's uber specialness: In the Leap of Lorius, Artha tells the other racers to release the dragon, which they apparently do. And in Three Times a Hero, they all chant, 'release the dragon', to escape from Moordryd's high powered defence shield. So what makes Artha so special if they or anyone else can release the dragon? Is Artha the only one who can truly release the dragon?

yeah i guess so because beau wouldent have chosen someone who couldent have unlock any of his powers.

I think releasing the dragon is a way of better connecting with your dragon. Beau is the dragon of legend, so he gets the ability to connect with whomever he wants, a.k.a. "Choosing" his rider/riders, as so far 5 poeple can get on Beau when he is not being controlled, possed by a bonemark, ect (and it's the magic five who we are very sure will all end up as boosters eventually) and those 5 are:
Artha, the Dragon Booster
Moordryd, the Shadow Booster
Kitt, the future Pyro Booster
Lance, the future Lightning/Spirit/whatever the blue booster's name is Booster
And Parm, the future Power Booster

I only just noticed that, so, does anybody thibk it's a context clue? All fututre boosters must be able to stay on the dragon of legend before they are worthy?

actually kitt was magged off of beau in the chosing pt 1 remember.

True! Very true!!
Good point!

Who are the 5 people that can get on Beau?
I know.....2

1.Artha
2.Moordryd
3.?
4.?
5.?

hmmm..... :plot: ..... well i guess ....... wait like being chosen for DB riding or like ridden just being ridden because lane in three rimes the hero rode beau on his own and connor to train beau would have probobly ridden beau..... hmmm..... :plot: :plot:

sorry i meant to write lance and it didn't turn out that way

would everyone stop bringing artha down, yeah i agree artha can be a bit of a airhead in some episodes but he grows out of it, that is like the circle of life you make mistakes to learn from it, the final point is that beau and artha can't do anything without each other, they need each other, beau is the dragon of legend and can do stuff that normal dragons can't, on the other side beau needs artha as artha needs him because beau can't release his full power without artha, in the choosing part 1 episode beau had to choose a person who is brave and all those other quality that must be in a person for beau to choose that person, and beau saw all those qualities in artha to choose him, without artha beau can't do the mag fight, if there is no artha who would beau channel his energy through, yeah beau can do mag burst and other things like that, but it only goes to some extent, let see picture a mag fight with beau only, no artha, and drakkus with his dragon beau would be defeated, so that is why he has artha to do the mag fights for him, and when ever beau get in a tight spot artha doesn't give up to rescue beau, in Broken bonds when beau was transformed into a wraith artha still didn't give up even though he almost got killed, so ladies and gentlemen my whole point is that they need each other, artha has his own faults and without beau artha is not much let's be honest here, if beau didn't choose artha, him and parm would have gone into making Vid games who knows he might be succesful, but if he decides to race artha migh have learned to race on his own and can do mag fights himself when he get's to the academy, because not only people with armour can do the mag fights people who have been trained in the academy, and people that are on the elite class can do them AKA (The Mouth That Roared), the guy that fought the dragon booster with the green draconium energy he is an elite racer and can do the mag fights, without beau artha might not be able to find out how he can release his power so early and will have to go to the academy to learn first so there are fault on artha. but, no matter how beau needs artha and artha needs beau.
END OF STORY.

...Santa, could I have some paragraphs for Christmas?

Beau could've chosen other people, and Artha's only gained his powers through Beau (and has significant personality faults which kind of make Destiny look a bit of a donkey). How's that?

artha could have earned mag powers through the training in the academy (how's that)

I agree with most people. Artha would be nothing without Beau.

And Draconium, if Artha didn't have Beau he wouldn't be in the Academy. Beofre he got Beau, he hated dragons. If Beau hadn't chosen him he would still be on the couch playing vid games. I'm not saying that's a bad thing (Has spent three days straight playing KH 2 ^_^ ) but it's not very helpful in a war.

yeah i agree with people to that artha will be nothing without beau, but who knows artha might decide to get into the academy by racing who knows, so artha could have gone either way in his life, yeah artha can get cocky from time to time but he grew out of it, he admits to his mistakes and learn from it. i said before they both need each other

Teamwork is clearly one of the main themes in the show. In the earlier episodes, particularly "Track of Doom", Mortis talks a lot about begin one with your dragon and everyone working together. And in episodes like "Broken Bonds", we see how limited Artha is without Beau. So Artha wouldn't be doing a whole heck of a lot without Beau. :) It's a shame that Artha is too egotistical to admit that in most of the early episodes, but at least his character has improved in most of the more recent ones.

Flipping it around, Beau seems to need Artha as well. Other than Propheci, dragons don't seem to be very good in the strategy department and seem to need their humans to help plan things out for them. Also, when we see things like the mag-claw fighting, the humans who can channel mag energy seem to be able to handle it with considerably more finesse than the dragons can by themselves. For example, we've never see a dragon doing something like a mag-fury attack. And of course, all of Beau's super powers seem to be tied to the power emanating from Artha's DB suit and/or the gauntlet and amulet.

The teamwork aspect of the story line is clearly meant to continue increasing. We've already been told that the five main colors of draconium will have to work together, and in "Battle for the Ages", Artha and Moordryd had the joint vision of combining their powers and working together. Hopefully, we've seen the last of Artha's egotism at this point.

Thank You furox, finally somebody is looking at my point, they Both need each other

Another display of good teamwork was in eye of the dragon at the end of the episode when artha was taking on moordryd(SB) beau was fighting with decepshion. And in all was not lost artha and beau were hiding in the cave, they both comforted each other.

I think it's weird that you guys beat down on Artha so hard!
He's a teenage boy who just got the world thrust down on his shoulders!!
And if it wasn't for Artha, Beau would be caught and leading an army of wraith dragons by the next day!! Sure Artha can get really hot-headed alot, but he still pulls through for his friends and his Dragon. Artha wouldn't necesarilly be nothing with out Beau, he just wouldn't have a good chance a ' getting into the Academy, but I still wouldn't call that nothing... He would probably be with VIDDgames or maby he would've gotten into dragon racing after a few years, although he would not've had Beau. I guess I'm just trying to say that Artha and Beau need each other and they make a kick-arse team!

Thank you now do you guys see what i am trying to say

Sure thing!
We share the same view. :D

hey sorry i wasent trying to diss on artha. sorry. i know he has a lot of pressure as being the dragon booster.

salazzar buddy, we are one in the same mind.

But, butbutbut...Artha-bashing is fun...(Is bashed to death herself)

-_-#

artha bashing is not fun.

I'd rather have a game like wak-a-mole but have little Word Paynns pop up so I could wak 'em with huge midevil weaponry!! Now that would be fun!! ;)

You forgot to put Armaggeddon in there. :P

Artha's okay, the only time he bugs me is when he shows us his amazing sueish tendencies. Those times bug me, alot. Otherwise, he ain't bad. ;)

I dunno.
He's never really annoyed me..
Word, on the other hand, with his constant "I will make a dragon human war and then somehow I will rule after it" and his constant bringing Moordryd down... :unsure:
He just annoys me, but I've seen Armeggaddon like twice, so I haven't had alot a' opportunities to be annoyed by him...... :plot: