We have yet to see Armeggaddon's physical form in the show, and Professor Parmon (the member formerly known as Elginman) tells me that none of the latest episodes reveal his form either. All we've seen of him is a creepy pair of eyes and a disembodied voice. This begs the question: what is he and why haven't we seen his form? So vote your opinion and post your rationale if you feel so inclined. Some things to consider:

Those eyes are distinctly non-human. This tends to argue that he's a dragon. However, the helmet Drakkus wears makes his eyes look weird too, so this seem inconclusive. Whatever it is that's projecting the image of those eyes may just be distorting them somehow, like projecting the look of Armeggaddon's helmet let's say (if he wears one). However, those eyes make you think.

Probably the biggest argument that he's human is that Armeggaddon can talk and no dragon can do that directly. Propheci can only talk through his rider using gear and Armeggaddon doesn't seem to have any of that. That tends to argue that he's human.

However, as was brought up on another thread (I wish I could remember where, but there are too many postings to track things down easily anymore), it is within the realm of possibility that the amulet Armeggaddon is associated with is in fact a bone mark. Armeggaddon said he was around 3000 years ago and lead an army of black dragons. So what if Armeggaddon was a black dragon and his bone mark came off when the original Beau turned all dragons back to gold. Given that bone marks always match their crew symbols, a black dragon from 3000 years would have had a bone mark of the Dragon Eyes crew symbol, which is exactly what the amulet looks like. This would then explain why Armeggaddon appears to be bound to the amulet.

We also know from the mythology that the ancient Dragon Priests gathered up all the really dangerous bone marks and hide them away. This could explain how the amulet ended up in the shadow track: the Dragon Priests put it there to keep it safe. And since bone marks appear to be essentially immortal, that explains how Armeggaddon managed to live for the past 3000 years.

So what about the talking aspect? In "Rules of Power", Khatah said the blue draconium that was influencing him was like a dragon talking inside his head. So if the amulet is a bone mark, then Armeggaddon could be exerting a similar influence over Moordryd, and the eyes that Moordryd sees and the voice he hears is really just an illusion inside his head caused by the spirit of Armeggaddon that's trapped in the amulet/bone mark.

The counter argument is that if it is a bone mark, then why hasn't Armeggaddon tried to get himself attached to a dragon so he can take physical form again? The only reason I can think of here is that he's biding his time until Moordryd got hold of the gauntlet and has other things in place so he can avoid getting defeated right away like Furox was. He may need Moordryd as his rider to make him more powerful just as how Artha makes Beau more powerful.

Another thing to consider is that Armeggaddon said he lead an army of dragons. So would that make him a human or dragon? Hard to tell. Propheci is clearly a leader, so dragons can lead. In fact, for the first war to have really been between dragons and humans, then there must have been some dragons taking charge otherwise it simply would have been a regular human war. So you'd expect there to have been some dragon generals and Armeggaddon could have been one of them.

Of course, we've also never seen a bone mark that can activate a gauntlet. So this tends to argue that the amulet is just an amulet. Though this itself then leaves the unanswered question as to why Armeggaddon seems to be bound to the amulet and how he managed to live for 3000 years.

Also, Armeggaddon tells Moordryd that he went into the Shadow Track to get something. The implication might be that the amulet was already in there and he went in to get it and got trapped. Of course, Armeggaddon may have been lying or had gone in to get something else. Maybe the Dragon Priests lured him in with something else and then trapped him there after severing the bone mark.

So, this is all fairly inconclusive but maybe we can have some fun talking about it. Personally, I hope he turns out to be a dragon since the show really needs more dragons driving the plot. As it is, Propheci is only dragon that directly drives the plot. As much as I like Beau, he pretty much just provides added muscle for Artha and he doesn't really cause the plot to move directly. And I don't think Beau will have a character arc in the story either. So from a story perspective, it kind of makes sense to add another dragon to the mix. Also, if Armeggaddon is just a run of the mill human, then why hide his form? The fact that we're not allowed to see him might be a clue that a surprise is coming.

So what do you think? Vote what your choice and then why not post your reasons for choosing it.

I voted for oppition 3. <_<
I really want him to be a dragon, but he's most likely a human.
Man, Furox... you got have to much time on your hands.. or are really addicted to DB toe writ all this stuff! :D :lol: :)

I voted human because my theory is that he's really word!

I chose the third answer.

Still, it would be cool if he was a dragon...

I belife he is a dragon, 1 of the dragons that started the human dragon war 3000 years ago.

I think it would be great if he was a dragon, but somehow I doubt it. I'm not sure why though. I guess its just a feeling. :P

I think you may be confusing Armeggaddon with Drakkus. Given that, would you have answered differently? :)

Well, I think the fact that I created a whole web site for the show, play both the trading card game and the video game, and collect all the toys answers the last part of your assertion. :P Though according to one of the other polls, you watch the episodes a lot more than me (like double, I think it was). :) As for free time, I wish I had some... Fortunately though, I type fast and this type of stuff is a lot like technical writing, which I do a lot of in my job. And I just like speculating on these unresolved plot points. ;) Trying to guess what's going to come next is just fun. :D

Yes. Regardless of whether he's a human or a dragon, he's got to be one of the instigators of the first war, maybe even the key individual that triggered it. :o

I know what you mean. I think the feeling stems from the fact that show doesn't cast dragons as doing things proactively like Armeggaddon does. Almost all the dragons, except for Propheci of course, are very passive and wait for their humans to direct them. That does kind of argue that he's a human. On the other hand though, given that dragons like Propheci exist, there must be more like him that want to take charge. And since we've seen two other ancient dragons that are very assertive, namely Furox and Samurox, it's quite possible there are more.

So for those who believe Armeggaddon is human: do you have a theory for how a human could still be alive after 3000 years? :ph43r:

Heh heh, my bad ;) But no my answer would stay the same

I haven't voted yet, but you guys made me think of somehting. If it was dragons versus humans, why do people talk like it was the empires fighting each other?

Well, if you think about it, in "Faster Than Fear," that shadowy figure that passed Artha's visor was Armeggaddon. So maybe being trapped in that Track of Doom and perhaps (I'm not saying it's true, just a theory) his hatred for the Dragon Booster from three thousand years ago might have kept him alive. Just food for thought...

I think he's a dragon, due to the weird eyes. However, there is something that occured to me a while ago, I'm going to go through the whole thing so I don't miss anything

One: Black Draconium Empire started the war
Two: Dragons are the subdugated race
Three: The race that has already conqured doesn't start the war unless it's radicals--which is a little too mature for db if you ask me
Three*: Also it's refered to as empires starting the war, not radicals or rebels
Four: therefore Dragons started the war
Five: Therefore the black draconium empire was ruled by dragons
Six: The Furrox fought against the Dragonbooster and was pretty darn anti human given its actions
Seven: in the flashback I'm almost certain I saw a rider on the Furrox
Eight: Furrox also controled Pyrah
Nine: Humans, you know, we have these handy dandy little hands of ours, and wow the opposable thumb!
Ten: Wouldn't be nice, then, for a dragon to get those nice fingers of ours?
Twelve: and with armor would be even better!

So possible Armmy, instead of doing what Furrox did, Dragon and then infesting the human, backwards, infesting the human and then dragon, or just getting his body back.

I always wondered, too, why the dragon side of the conflict didn't side with the dragon booster?

I voted for other else.

I thionk that is a sort og gosth that took posseison of the amulet and jsut someone with a high black draconium influence could heard it

Yeah, it's not clearly explained in the show, is it. Though the mythology section does fill in a few pieces. It appears that the various draconium empires were waring with each other and at some point, some of the dragons decided they had had enough. It's difficult to tell exactly, but it appears that some of the empires were fighting with their dragons helping them, while at the same time other dragons were fighting them and possible other humans. As Nemi the Nen points out, Furox had a rider during the flash back sequence, which says that at least some dragons still associated with humans. Plus in those manuscript style drawings of the war we see at the opening of episode 1, there are pictures of independent dragons fighting independent humans as well as pictures of dragons with riders fighting others. It appears that there were supposed to be multiple sides in the war, though it's rather confusing for us since we aren't given a clear explanation. The only thing available other than the mythology on the web site is this brief section in the Ultimate Scrap Book:

Some did. In "Chromatic Dragon" Artha plays back that recording left by the original Dragon Booster who says he had both human and dragon allies. Other dragons like Furox and Samurox apparently wanted to fight it out instead.

Yep, I'm sure of that myself.

Possibly. Or maybe one doesn't age while in the Shadow Track. Word did say that once their fear took hold of them, Artha and every one else would stay trapped in their forever. Maybe "forever" really means forever.

OK, fair enough. That would explain how Armeggaddon could still be around after 3000 years. If he's a ghost now, what do you think he was originally: dragon or human?

I haven't seen the episodes yet...but I think that he is more human than a dragon....even tho I would like him or IT to ba a human....but those flame-ish eyes tells me that he is more dragon...I'm now confused.....maybe he/IT is a spirit??

Yes, some dragons sided with the dragon booster, but I want to know why not more? Why only, apprently, one of each prime color?

The more I think about it the more disturbing the 'abuse their power' line seems, and the more telling it is.

If the empires were all at war, and dragons were the main force of industry. Wouldn't that mean that the humans were having the dragons kill each other along with humans. Could THAT be what triggered the Dragons to get angry?

I think he is something else, maybe a combination between dragon and human. Or a entirely different set of species. Guess we will have to wait and see. :D

Does anyone really think they'll resolve this question? Just a thought.
And as for my opinion, I couldn't tell ya. Thing is, a noncorporeal being like Armeggadon wouldn't be tied to any one appearance. He may be tied to the amulet, but that doesn't mean he has to look the same as in life.

Ah. Well, I think that's exactly what the writers want at the moment. :) And hence the reason for this thread. :D The answer shouldn't be completely obvious or the show would be no fun to watch. ;)

A spirit or ghost is always possible. It would explain how Armeggaddon could hang around for 3000 years and why he appears to be disembodied. Though this show stays pretty much in the realm of science fiction and has yet to venture into the paranormal. So I would tend to lean away from ghosts myself.

However, since there are bone marks that can hold the spirit or energy/memories of ancient dragons, then it seems possible that could also be things that could hold the spirit of a human. You could imagine a scenario where the Dragon Booster finally caught Armeggaddon and the ancient Dragon Priests did something to disembody him (e.g., trap him in the amulet) and lock him in the Shadow Track as his prison sentence. I think something along those lines would fit in with the show.

I think there were more dragon allies. The recording in "Chromatic Dragon" said the original DB had "many" dragons as allies. At this point in the story, it seems clear that Khatah's crew and all his dragons, along with the crews lead by Phistus and Kawake will stand with the Dragon Booster. So that's a bunch of allies for Artha right there. I think the first war was a similar situation.

Probably. And with dragons like Furox who seemed to want to kill both dragons and humans, there were probably plenty of dragons who just wanted to go out for blood and didn't need anyone to force them to kill.

I do. They're dangling a little mystery in front of us just like they did with Connor's disappearance. So I'm certain they intend to reveal Armeggaddon for who he is. I think this will coincide with when Armeggaddon reveals his true plans.

The only thing I'm not certain of is when this might happen. It's possible they may be saving it for the possibility of a season 4. So season 3 might end with a cliff-hanger with Armeggaddon starting to take control. If the series doesn't get renewed, we may never know the answer. :(

That's very true. The weird eyes could be a red herring to throw us off. As I said earlier on, Drakkus' eyes look pretty weird, too. But it's just his helmet. Same could be true for Armeggaddon.

On the other hand, the writers should be throwing us some clues so that the revelation isn't entirely out in left field. Plenty of clues were offered about Mortis, so I expect them to do the same with Armeggaddon. The hard part is knowing which are the clues and which are possible red herrings. :) But that's what makes it fun. :D

I want him to be a dragon...
but i think hes a human TT_TT

I think, it is a evil spirit, well, he only can talk by the amulet, and is 3000 years old, only can be an spirit.

For those who believe Armeggaddon is a spirit/ghost: do you think he was corporeal at some point in the past or always a spirit (a demon, perhaps)? If he was once alive, do you think he was dragon or human?

I also agree with that, he dows seem to be a spirit. Maybe something like an Ori(stargate)?

I guess that Armageddon was human, the king of Black draconium empire and the main enemie of first DB

After the new episode eye of the dragon or something like that we DEFINETLEY know that he is a human, because he had a dragon, the vi-socks or whatever her name is

Oh, well. It was a fun discussion while it lasted. :)

And it was fun to see the votes: as of today, there were 15 votes from people who thought he was a dragon or would have liked him to be a dragon versus 6 votes from people who believed he was human and pretty much wanted him to be a human. At least it confirms we have some dragon fans here (big surprise ;)) and that we'd like to see more dragons as main characters that drive the plot. :D

Armeggaddon is or was a human because his dragon was the warrior dragon Visox.(eye of the dragon) He chooses to talk to Moordryd through the amulet by ancient ways because when he first came to Moordryd he was in the dark, and the amulet floated out of the dark to Moordryd, and yet Armeggaddon stayed in the dark. I think he maybe a spirit because his dragon is a spirit. When his eyes moved when he first met Moordyd, his eyes moved up and down, quickly, like when a dragon jumps, so this maybe another reason why he is a spirit, and his spirit, may move and look like or shape itself like a dragon. This explains why the shadow crosses Artha’s visor is like the shape of a dragon. Or maybe he is a human, and he just decided to jump, by bending both knees, and jump his two legs forward at once, or jumps off a ledge he is sitting on. If he is a spirit then he could change his form, and move in odd ways. His dragon’s spirit floated and moved onto deception. He could have preserved himself somehow by ancient ways so maybe he could still be human, but not likely :)

Regarding who Drakkus may be... compare his dragon with Word`s in "All Is Not Lost".
Except for the battle armor...!

Armegeddon is kinda like a dragon that can talk. Do you think he could be like the old beau. You know he could be an old baddie. Do you think he ws the leader of the bad guys in the war ol and new/

well we all sorda know that he's in an amulet so i think it's sort of half bone mark half amulet (i dunno :blink: )

I'm not sure i think he's a dragon and a human. I mean its just confusing.

I really think he's a dragon. I mean Human! I mean grrr. OK I think he is a dragon

hey furox in your first post you should put that he could be a human becasue in the episode The Eye of The Dragon (don't know if you have seen it) armeggadon leads moordryd to were the bonemark a black dragon that fought aganaist the origanal dragon booster was and said that it the bonemark belonged to his dragon from 3000 years ago
so it's quite possible that he is human, or something else (that's why i voted for something else)

he could be half dragon half human, he could have a dragon head and tail, and human body, arms and legs, oh and a dragon's stomache :P
or he could look like one of the centaur things
of course i could be wronge, but can't i use my imagination? :P



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Yeah, I haven't seen that episode yet. It doesn't look like it will air here until sometime around October. I started this poll shortly after "Return of Drakkus, Part 2" aired, so that's all I knew at the time. Still, I thought it would be a fun topic, plus I was hoping we might be getting another dragon like Propheci involved in the story line. And even if Armeggaddon turns out to be human (which is most likely at this point), I'm still hoping they might introduce another dragon protagonist into the story, or perhaps increase the role played by one of the existing dragons like Libris or Wyldfyr, say. Judging by the poll results, it looks a lot of people are hoping for that as well. :)

Sure can! I think that's what most of us do here. :D

And I while I haven't seen the season 3 episodes, I believe there's still the unanswered question about how Armeggaddon could have been around for the first war and still be alive now and somehow bound to the amulet. Hopefully, the answer to that will be interesting.

I personally think that Armeggaddon is a human, but it would be interesting if he is a dragon.

Or something new; does anyone thinks that it is perhaps a dragon-human hybrid? :unsure:

i think he would be a dragon human hybrid
but by the sounds of the latest transcript, he's most likely a dragon
that sucks, yet it doesn't describe him to well so there may still be a chance *goes back to read the transcript again*
Edit: ok he sounds a lot like a hybrid (starts cheering) :dance:



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So do you think that a human was mutated by a bone mark to become a hybrid or something like that? We've never seen a bone mark mutate a human like that, but I'm not sure how else you'd explain the existence of a hybrid within the context of the show. There are no references to a third race on the planet (nor to one that died out long ago), so I don't they'd go in that direction either. Because of that, if Armeggaddon turns out to be something other than a dragon or human, then I think he'd have to be a one of a kind type of creature.

I agree if he is a dragon it will turn everything around they shows will get more exiting.

although i thing he is human
" wish i could find out"

Really? The transcript refers to Armaggedon's hands, body spikes, and fighting Drakkus (not Abandonn). And talking, presumably from a mouth. He sounds pretty human to me.

Yep, I agree that it's fairly obvious he's human or, at least, humanoid. I believe it was already mentioned, but in Eye of the Dragon he does refer to Visox bonemark as one from his own dragon...It would be just a liiiitttttle awkward for a dragon to...I can't even type that out with a straight face. I'll leave this topic be ^-^;;.

I agree i think he is human cause in episode 24 Armaggedon talks about pure black dragons that he used to own. :unsure: