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Title: Is GGWO correct about the name "Yahweh"?
Description: "Yahweh" 101


daved - July 9, 2008 12:49 PM (GMT)
The title of this topic is:
Is GGWO correct about the name "Yahweh"?

The oldest evidence I have that Pastor Carl Stevens dogmatically believed that God's name is "Yahweh"
is an audio tape of a 2000 A.D. Las Vegas Conference.

however,
I assume that Pastor Carl Stevens may have been dogmatic in his belief that God's name was "Yahweh"
before that date.

--------------------------------------------------"Yahweh" 101-------------------------------------------------------

1. The Hebrew name "Yahweh" is not preserved in any extant Hebrew Text.

2. In the early 19th century, probably in 1815,
the Hebrew scholar Gesenius proposed that
the Hebrew punctuation [yod-patah-heh-shewa-waw-segol-heh], = "Yahweh" ,
might accurately represent the original pronunciation of God's name.
2a. Smith's 1863 "A Dictionary of the Bible" credits Gesenius as being the author of the Hebrew punctuation [yod-patah-heh-shewa-waw-segol-heh]
2b. Gesenius's Hebrew punctuation of "YHWH" dissected
Note that the Hebrew consonants and vowels
of Gesenius's proposed Hebrew punctuation [yod-patah-heh-shewa-waw-segol-heh]
are clearly identified in the above dissection.

3. Gesenius was influenced by Epiphanius's "IaBe".
3a. Smith's 1863 "A Dictionary of the Bible" provides evidence that Gesenius's Hebrew puntuation [i.e. "yod-patah-heh-shewa-waw-segol-heh] represented Epiphanius's "IaBe"
3b. Gesenius acknowledges same in his German writings.

4. Gesenius's proposed Hebrew punctuation [i.e. yod-patah-heh-shewa-waw-segol-heh]
is found in the Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon of 1905,
where it is defined as "Yahweh, the proper name of the God of Israel".
To be redundant:
Gesenius's proposed Hebrew punctuation [yod-patah-heh-shewa-waw-segol-heh] = "Yahweh"
is not preserved in any extant Hebrew Text
.

4a. Image of Gesenius's proposed Hebrew punctuation [i.e. yod-patah-heh-shewa-waw-segol-heh] as found in Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon of 1905.

5.Pastor Carl Stevens was trusting in the 190 A.D. Greek writings of Clement of Alexandria,
for his evidence that the original pronunciation of God's name was probably "Yahweh".
5a. The Wikipedia Article:Yahweh shows Clement of Alexandria's Greek Stromata Book V. Chapter 6:34 where Clement's Greek pronunciation "Iaoue" = "Yahweh" is found.
5b. The translation of Clement of Alexandria's Greek Stromata Book V. Chapter 6:34
that is shown in the Wikipedia Article is:
QUOTE

"... Further, the mystic name of four letters
which was affixed to those alone to whom the adytum was accessible,
is called Jave,
which is interpreted, 'Who is and shall be.'



The underlying Greek of "Jave" is "Iaoue" which favors "Yahweh".
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Hodeuon can provide evidence that the original pronunciation of God's name is likely to be "Yahweh"
from a different approach, than that which I gave above.

Daved

Able - July 9, 2008 04:30 PM (GMT)
In the ability of the tongue lies the answer to your question.

daved - July 10, 2008 11:24 AM (GMT)
The title of this topic is:
Is GGWO correct about the name "Yahweh"?

In my opinion, (at this present time), it cannot be proven that GGWO is correct,
for the simple reason that God seems to have chosen NOT to preserve His name as "Yahweh",
in any extant Hebrew text.

In my opinion GGWO should place some sort of disclaimer in their Doctrinal Statement,
indicating that their expressed dogmatic belief that God's name is "Yahweh",
is not supported by the inspired Scriptures!
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Having said what I said above, I add the following qualification.

There seems to be a slight chance that the Jewish people may have an unbroken oral tradition,
which they are not openly acknowledging,
that preserves God's name as "Yahweh".

Bible Wiki's copy of the Jewish Encyclopedia's Article:Names of God".

Under the heading YHWH, at the link above you will find the following statement,
which can also be found in the on-line Jewish Encyclopedia of 1901-1906.

QUOTE

If the explanation of the form above given be the true one,
the original pronunciation must have been Yahweh  or Yahaweh.
 



While the Jewish editors of the sentence above used two weasel words,
the possibility just may exist,
that there is an unbroken Jewish tradion that supports the name "Yahweh".

Daved

daved - July 16, 2008 01:30 PM (GMT)
The text below is from a GGWO tape titled: THE DOCTRINE OF NAMES.
[Pastor Carl Stevens preached this message at a Las Vegas Conference in 2000]

Pastor Carl Stevens said:

QUOTE

Snip/snip

...In Exodus in the 3rd Chapter, in the 13th verse,
Moses said to God: “by the way, who do I say your name is?”

He said “Tell them the great I AM has sent you unto them.”,
and in verse 15,
listen carefully to Exodus 3:15

My name, which is “Yahweh” is a memorial throughout all generations.

If there is a single pastor here that calls Jesus, Jehovah,
you are totally in ignorance, and you’d better repent.


Jehovah is a mongrel name and that’s why the Jehovah’s Witnesses use it.

It is not Jehovah, it is Yahweh.


Jehovah has--between its vowels and consonants…

Jehovah with it’s 4 con…

Jehovah is mixed up, it has no meaning.

It is a mongrel name,
and Satan,
even among Schofield and the rest of them,
have given Jesus Christ a meaningless name,
and Jesus does not like it on this Saturday Morning.

Jesus’ Name is Yahweh.
And He says my name will be a memorial throughout all generations.


And I’ll tell you this:
Well then what is your name seeing that your name reveals character,
nature,
essence,
qualities of thinking,
qualities of speaking
qualities of behaving.

“What is your name, God” said Moses.
And God said in 34:6 of Exodus,
My name is merciful,
my name is gracious
my name is long-suffering
my name is forgiveness, keeping mercy for thousands, in verse 7

That’s my name,

Not only is it Saviour in Matthew 1:21 to save my people from their sins.
My name is Merciful, Gracious, long-suffering, and my name is forgiveness.

You want to meet me regardless of what state you’re in,
then meet my name, as it reveals my nature.

…snip/snip



Note that Exodus 3:15 in the King James Bible reads:

QUOTE

And God said moreover unto Moses,
Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,
The LORD [i.e. Yahweh according to GGWO]
God of your fathers,
the God of Abraham,
the God of Isaac,
and the God of Jacob,
hath sent me unto you:
this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.




Daved










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