Beware Pastor love is BRAINWASHING your kids!!!!!

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This the absolute truth! Many accounts of brainwashing and spiritual abuse of kids are posted on www.factnet.org, and this site. The leaders at GGWO have been brainwashing people to blindly worship them and serve them for many years. Unfortunately this is happening to the youth at GGWO youth functions also. I have personally witnessed the actions of John Love for years as a youth worker myself. John Love was continually brainwashing the kids to blindly worship and serve himself and the other youth leaders and pastors of GGWO. Kids were taught to never question anything, never listen to their gut instincts that would tell them something might be wrong, never bring up the wrongdoing of another particulatly if that involved a pastor or youth leader, never to think outside the box prescribed for them by John Love and others, never to really think at all, and to always put blind faith in the GGWO pastors, John Love, and other youth leaders. Kids were programmed to worship the leaders and obey them like they were infallible.

I witnessed the sickening adulating of John Love by many of the kids at youth meetings. Kids were cheering and applauding him a lot more intensely than people would cheer for their favorite sports heroes at basketball games. It was very unnatural and downright creepy. It was obvious that John Love was brainwashing kids to blindly worship and serve pastors as adults by "training" them to worship himself first while they were still kids.

With all this adoration and blind loyalty towards authority figures in the GGWO youth "ministry", proper checks and balances do not exist to provide a safe environment to protect kids from an authority figure that might want to take indecent liberties with them. When kids are brainwashed to never question anything or speak out about anything, a person in authority wanting to harm a child or take advantage of them would have a very easy time pulling it off in such an unchecked environment. I would never recommend the GGWO youth ministry to anyone. This is a very potentially unsafe environment where leaders are reprogramming youth to be servants and worshippers of men. I would recommend to any parent reading this to pull your kids out of the GGWO youth ministry immediately!

This was posted on a different thread. I thought it might be more appropriate to post it here.

This was sent to me by the parent of the child who wrote this. I thought it was very telling of how maybe some of the kids who've left GG are learning how to cope.

My Life on the Animal Farm

“In his speeches, Squealer would talk with the tears rolling down his cheeks of Napoleon's wisdom the goodness of his heart, and the deep love he bore to all animals everywhere, even and especially the unhappy animals who still lived in ignorance and slavery on other farms.”

I have met a Squealer and have seen a Napoleon. I know what it is like to be ignorant or at least try to be. The book Animal Farm by George Orwell is an allegory to the Russian Revolution, but I don’t always feel that that’s the only thing it is compared to. I often see clear similarities to Animal Farm and the school I used to attend and the church I used to go to.

Lying is something everyone does. It is what we see Napoleon and the pigs do to the animals of the Animal Farm and it’s what I saw being done to my family and my friends. Being in my situation was hard. I was still young and didn’t understand why I never could understand anything. Nothing any one said was consistently considered true and nothing made sense. I now know why I felt this and how it is not my fault for not understanding anything anyone said to me.

I hate to look back on days of pain, but I know that this is something that I want to share, whether the people of my past school, Greater Grace Christian Academy, and my past church, Greater Grace World Outreach, want me to or not.

Pastor Carl Stevens. He was what you might call the ‘Old Major’ of the Greater Grace ‘farm’, but without good intentions for the future. In my opinion, he started everything. If he hadn’t done the things he did, if he hadn’t done the drugs and drank the alcohol, if he hadn’t twisted truths and lied to his willing followers, then things might not have gotten as bad as they did. He was admitted to the hospital the winter I was ___ years old. We found out on the way home from dinner. My mom told us. There was silence in the car that felt heavy and sad. My dad was worried; I could tell. My parents began to talk back and forth and I just asked the safe questions like, “Is he going to be okay?” and “Why?” Something about that night haunts me to this day. I remember going to bed and lying there, not being able to sleep. I honestly couldn’t have cared less about the man’s health, but more about my parents feelings and the ‘body.’ The body was the people of the church and is a word that I now can never hear without thinking ‘Greater Grace.’ Carl Stevens was the main pastor at the church and everyone seemed to worship him, not worship God, and he absorbed the praises like a sponge. He would preach against things he had done or was going to do and if something ‘dramatic’ happened like somebody left the church or someone didn’t honor the church or their pastor, he would preach against that too. He would never mention names, but it was evident who he was talking about. To me personally, nothing he said made sense. Nothing seemed right, ever. Some of the people in the church even supplied him with drugs when he wasn’t supposed to have them.

Pastor Schaller. If you asked me to describe him in one word I would say Napoleon. He was ‘voted’ new lead pastor, as Napoleon was voted lead pig, and that’s when the worst began to happen. He blamed Carl’s absences on an illness, not drugs, like Napoleon blamed the chickens’ death on an illness but not an execution. I started to see the wrong in what was considered right for so long.

__th grade started and the windmill started to be built on the Greater Grace farm. I felt like Clover. She saw the Seven Commandments being broken and twisted and she was very suspicious, but didn’t know what to think. I was the exact same way. I knew something was wrong and I knew I wasn’t getting the whole truth about it from my parents. I didn’t want to believe things were wrong because I loved that farm. Actually, I more so loved my peers, the animals. Sadly, they weren’t the smart animals that saw some of the things that were wrong, but the stupid ones who couldn’t even memorize the alphabet. They were completely ignorant to everything, as the animals were, because they were just following close behind the footsteps of their parents. Their parents were no better than them in the sense that they were oblivious to everything wrong that was happening within the church (actually, just most of them). It made me sad to see them not being able to understand how I felt so helpless and I was told that I can’t talk to them about anything that had to do with the church. The animals couldn’t talk about Snowball or any doubts of Napoleon’s practically Divine Rule like the way I couldn’t talk to them about what I believed to be the truth.

When the windmill fell apart they blamed it on Snowball. Snowball left. The people who left the church were considered Snowballs. Greater Grace seemed to blame every wrong on the Snowballs.

Halfway through the __th grade I knew completely what was going on with the farm. Well, at least as much as I know today.
On the Greater Grace farm there is a Squealer, all the suck-ups to Pastor Schaller. All of the people that believe that those who go to Greater Grace will be better off in Heaven than everyone else. It’s all of the people who don’t realize that they aren’t worshiping their God, but their Pastor.

I am a Snowball. I escaped from the clutches of the farm that was supposedly the key to Heaven. All of the other Snowballs and I may be considered ‘evil’ in the farm’s eyes, but we don’t care. I am free and I have moved on. The memory of the farm haunts me sometimes, but just because all of the Squealers and Napoleons hate me doesn’t mean my friends on the farm do too. We keep in touch, though I doubt things will ever be the same between us.

I never want to experience anything like that again. Thankfully my family and I have settled down at a good church that we love, and I am enjoying every minute of a real school.

What kind of message does it send to the kids when their youth pastor gets away with his sin and there are no consequences for his actions? We all know that actions speak louder than words. I think most, if not all of the kids know about his sins. Teenagers talk.

yes, I am still a teenager (17), pastor love has treated me and my friends so wrong over the years, he has told others to get away from us, He believes to an infinite extent he is infallible, the concept is he's Adolf Hitler, probably reincarnated, he's so corrupt. Can you believe it? He's still the youth pastor? This topic makes me pretty heated, but I am so glad to hear of you that know whats going on, and know that you all aren't brainwashed by his words. Like at convention he told me I couldn't go to the youth activities because I missed ONE message. He was very arrogant with this, I went to the activity anyway. That day, that day I realized; not to mention the day I was mentioned in service as "the seventeen year old to post bad things on facebook" the church was corrupt. I was almost in tears. And to put me in tears... that takes a lot.

SchlegelBagel.com

MuSic PleASe.................


Some people cry and some people die by the wicked ways of LOVE;
But I'll just keep on rollin' along with the GRACE of the Lord above.

Schlegel, move on with your life. I came to a branch of this ministry before I entered kindergarten. I left several months ago and now I live like a tiger that was raised in a zoo and freed later in life and never learned how to hunt. Continue to think for yourself and seek a normal life any way you can. A lot of the people that post here can help you so continue to post & read.

Out Haus,

Good advice for our friend

No ChAnGeS, GoING FORWaRD Is CrUcIaL

At LeAsT WHeN YouR TiMe IS CoMe

Thank God you're out from the GGWO youth "ministry" Schlegel. Rest assured God has much better things in store for you now. Heed Out Haus's advise about moving on with your life. God will be with you every step of the way. Share your concerns with those you trust and feel free to post here anytime. There's lots of people here that love you and want to see you healed from the past. There's some good reading on this site about the GGWO youth "ministry" and even more on www.factnet.org. Try this link.

http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/2...html?1200511544

I knew John Love myself and he was a very sleezy predator. He would be nice to you and then stab you in the back right afterwards. He was very arrogant and power hungry like a lot of GGWO pastors, but this guy was one of the worst. He definately had an agenda which was to brainwash kids to blindly trust and obey himself, other pastors and other youth leaders. Love enjoyed a lot of power over the youth and really enjoyed their worship. I saw how intensely kids were cheering and worshipping Love at the Spring Rally camps and it was downright sickening and unnatural! Love got into a lot of kids' heads and used them as his personal little puppets. People were told to never question anything and always obey authority figures no matter what. It was a horrifying, controlling environment. It was also a training ground set up by Love to train youth to become docile, pastor worshipping adults. He trained the kids to blindly follow himself and other pastors so they would grow up and become very useful pastor worshipping adults for people like Schaller. They want to get a hold of the people when they're very young hoping they'll be even more likely to hold onto them throughout their lives. It's absolutely disgusting how far pastors at GGWO will go to manipulate and brainwash people to serve them.

epistula,

I think I need to read "Animal Farm" again. That is a very intelligent young person.

Schlegal,

I also disagree with how John Love runs the youth ministry. He tends to only hang out with kids who are destined to become pastors. Otherwise, he has little time for you.

However, 1 Tim. says we judge pastors by how they preach and teach. What John Love preaches is not bad.

Furthermore, it does make sense to make services mandatory. Only going to the social activities is like going to school for recess and gym but skipping English and Math. I have been in several other youth groups that have similar policies, including a Presbyterian group and an Evangelical Free group. They all require you to study the Bible.

John 8:7 said: "However, 1 Tim. says we judge pastors by how they preach and teach. What John Love preaches is not bad."

I Tim 4 says:
"11 Command and teach these things. 12 Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity. 13 Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching and to teaching. 14 Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through a prophetic message when the body of elders laid their hands on you."

I won't debate you over what John Love preaches since there are volumes written here about the teachings of GGWO, but 1 Tim is about more that just preaching the right thing. It is about setting an example not just in speech, but life, love, faith and purity. Does that seem like a reasonable interpretation?