First Thank you all for reaching the throne of God with prayer. A tremendous breakthrough has occured in my personal life. Glad about being able to read my own posts again (kinda scary) , reminded me of "A Beautiful Mind" with Russell Crowe. That picture brought me to tears many times.


Very Very sad indeed, about the 6-24-2004 pm message. Deep deception for most. Thank you all here for clearing up the 300 mentality on important subjects.

1234's posts shall be updated according to specific events in time!!The edit option shall be used from this time forward.Deletions in some cases performed by abled participants.Sorry for any inconvenience.

WARNING to all who read

IT MAY NOT come out of your head.

There are very serious topics all over DISCUSSggwo.

Notice the diversity of writers and the congruity of their statements.

A WORD from the PROPHETS.This may be revealing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1u489DqbMQ

Hey all, this stuff happens all the time to people doesnt it? Getting caught up? I was warned by a professional. Is it just that people dont care? They/we think it will be okay?

I was probably warned about doing this very thing I am doing. Cant remember, because the evidence I have examined is so disturbing. Now all that matters is momentary. it flees so quickly that I forget the disturbing news. Is that making sense?

Please, give me a check. :blink:

Life is for living,
enjoy every momentto the fullest.
Never take yourself so seriously
that you can't laugh at yourself with others.

Coffee guy

Dear 1234...

I don't think you need to be kept in check...you just need a place to be who you are without pretending or without anyone taking your spiritual pulse according to some control freaks idea of what the will of god is for your life.

I understand what you mean but I just think you should have some fun and don't worry about how it sounds or anything like that.

I think you have guts opening your eyes in the midst of it...just don't get too freaked out...after all the people that are in the plaza are just like you and I...we all have the same need to be loved and be heard without judgment.

May as well enjoy some of the food under the tentt, if I lived in Maryland I would go in disguise to get some of that oxtail stew those ladies from Brooklyn made...it was wonderful stuff. Eat the food and skip the kool aid.


Just suggestions...from a cyber friend.

Be well, get rest there is a lot going on inside of you right now....

New Kid

Yes, check me , if I cant laugh at it , its back to Who KnOWs WhAT

Like last night, dead tired after grueling week , family gets back from carnival, all sick. That was enough good night, then I had a dream my membership was revoked here. AAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGG!!!!!!

Well the dream almost came true. Trolling and didnt know it!

Everyone is doing an excellent job here.

Please, dont give up. Warnings work wonders.

New kid

Yes thats sound advice, I get so wound up at times in my life. Since being a part of it, maybe 10 times God has kindled the flame in my heart. Its very hard to handle because of the intensity. ---- May this be the end of it AMEN.

Hmmmmm...

Out Haus, thats right, the red dye in that stuff looks so refreshing but it is death. No Real MeaL For THat PoT YeT!!!

The controversy at hand is the double standard. Well it fun to see damage control at work. At least the war stays in my mind now and MY STEPS are ordered. This is very personal for me and am glad that prayers are going forth from people that are delivered from bondage.

It is with Great Tribulation that I write these words for you to read.After much Meditation it has come to my attention that my FAMILY must come first.In Order to maintain UNITY, as the head of my house MY Life must be laid down.There is always a place in my heart for everyone here, as from time to time I WILL Check back.It certainly is an AWEsome Word to hear when the testimonies keep coming in.This day I declare a PEACE to speaking in certain terms about certain subjects.I do appreciate others to do this, MY Suffering has been minimal or blocked out and now must move to the next phase.Thank you all, I feel as though we Are One.Going forward with the LORD. AMEN

As some here may have noticed, my thinking has moved too rapidly to express. I tend to simplify and leave certain uncertainty for the reader to decipher.

Please accept my apology, I am sorry for disrupting the flow of thought in various discussions. I am beginning to appreciate the conversations and debates between the many members registered and unregistered.

Once again, thank you all for prayers and patience!

1234 I found your last post a liitte confusing...is it a farewell letter? There are many people out there who post once and never post again...this is not a club. No one expects and explanation...you are free to do as you please.

Really just trying to figure out what you are trying to communicate...you seem to be pulled in two directions...one where you can talk about the issues that bother you in ggwo and another where keeping the peace with family members involved in ggwo is paramount.

Do you feel you have to turn away from the board in order to live with your family? You don't have to choose between the two....just post when it is a help to you.

I hope you find the peace you are looking for friend.

Who is going to be first? Your family? Or the plaza people who may be the most important ones in your families life -- even more important than you?

1- Can a person fail much and have a heart after God? YES

2- Can a person fail little and have a heart after God? YES

3- Can a person backslide, be restored and have a heart after God? YES

4- Can a person know a little of God's word and have a heart after God? YES

5- Can a person have doubts and confusion and go after God with all their heart and find Him? YES

6- Can a person grieve the Holy Spirit and be filled again with a heart after God? YES

7- Can a person speak evil of men, judge and condemn their brother, expose personal sin while doing this as a continued practice and have a heart after God? NO, NO, NO

8- Can these same people under number (7) repent, be reconciled to God, forget those things that are behind and have a renewed heart after God? YES

No matter how we look at others, we are all weak, all frail, all still have an old sin nature and it is going to take the grace and mercy of God to keep our heart after God. Judging others will not do that, condemning and accusing others will not do that, slandering and maligning others will not do that but a faith that works by the love of God will do that.

Back to 1234,

Well someone from ggwo is really happy to see you wavering about your participation here...and let me reiterate...do as you wish. But I hope that you will understand that any post with a list like the one above is simply one persons little box that does not apply to you. They take advantage of the fact that you are struggling with your identity. They take advantage of the fact that you are afraid because to continue to see the light about ggwo's poison will rock the boat for you.

Sometimes the devil we know seems safer...1234...I would never tell you to leave or to stay at ggwo...but I would tell you never to shut down your own thoughts and ideas for the sake of getting along. You are a treasure...a unique individual...you have the right to shine brightly and not be used or manipulated for corporate enterprise. Taht is all ggwo is...it is not a place where you or your family will find peace and unity...it is a place where you be kept alienated from one another.

On the surface things may look good...but is it real...is it worth living a lie?

As far as guest little lecture...it has no relevance to your decision.

I wish you well.

Hey 1234

You gotta do what you gotta do.

Like I said before

We'll leave the light on fir ya.

Come back when you can.

Why can a person fail much - your case #1 - and still have a heart after God but can't have a heart after God if (accepting your terms for the sake of the argument) if said failure is exposing the sin of others - your case #7?

You are suggesting that some failures break fellowship with God and some do not.

Hodeuon

I hope GGWO leadership which continually practices #7 will embrace #8.

observer,

Quote: 'But I hope that you will understand that any post with a list like the one above is simply one persons little box that does not apply to you. They take advantage of the fact that you are struggling with your identity.'

I think any believer that loves God and goes after Him would always welcome being 'boxed in' the love, mercy and grace of God. Aren't we hid with Christ in God (Col.3:3)? By grace through faith and according to His mercy He saved and washed us by regeneration (Eph.2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 1Peter 1:3). We are to grow in grace and knowledge of Him (2Peter 3:18). We stand in grace (Romans 5:2). When sin abounds in our life, grace does much more abound (Romans 5:20). We are under grace (Romans 6:14). It is all grace and no works (Romans 11:5,6). We are what we are by the grace of God (1Cor.15:10). Grace of God is with us (1Cor.16:23). May we finish in the same grace that we began with (2Cor.8:6). God is able to make all grace abound toward you (2Cor.9:8). We are called by grace (Col.1:15). We are accepted by God according to grace (Eph.1:6). We have redemption and forgiveness of sins according to grace (Eph.1:7).

And on and on it goes. And you sit their and accuse the scriptures and me of boxing believers in the grace and mercy of God like it has no benefit or application. Do you even know the God of all grace?

hodeuon,

Quote: 'Why can a person fail much - your case #1 - and still have a heart after God but can't have a heart after God if (accepting your terms for the sake of the argument) if said failure is exposing the sin of others - your case #7?'

Did you even read #8?

bmore,

Quote: 'I hope GGWO leadership which continually practices #7 will embrace #8.'

And what about you bmore?

Yes, I read #8.

So are you contending that exposing false teaching and sinful lifestyles breaks fellowship with God but habitually teaching false doctrine and living said sinful lifestyles does not?

Hodeuon

"I think any believer that loves God and goes after Him would always welcome being 'boxed in' the love, mercy and grace of God." Quote Guest Jul 1 2008, 09:24 AM

Dear guest,
you are very devious. whneever anyoneidentifies that your use of the scriptures to intimidate and manipulate is not legitimate you turn around and label them as ungodly...therefore you never have to be a real person accountable for real communication...you just hide behind verses and your pompouse arrogant idea that you are walking in the light because you agree with ggwo doctrines. It's isn't about the bible and never was...it is about fear and control...and I don't think the word "box" applies to anything that has to do with real spritual growth...

the people I have known who were constrained by biblical principles never imposed their decisions on others.

why not start loving the people around you and stop playing games with people's heads and using their fear of the unknown as an opportunity to turn them into little automatons who never have to face their doubts and fears.

Guest 300,

I would be very interested to know what Tom Schaller and the other gg leaders think about your theology.

This is the Discussggwo bulletin board. Several times you've dogmatically declared that your views are your own, and that you do NOT represent gg. (Which of course begs the question, then why do you spend so much time here as a gg apologist?)

You've spent months arguing in circles with people here. Far as I can tell, the only people you've convinced of ANYTHING were a few onlookers who realized that indeed, as represented by you, gg really IS strange.

I tend to accept that you do NOT speak for gg. I think you are even more aberrant and theologically unbalanced than gg is.

You've invested many hours writing out your lengthy dissertations here. Consider editing them into a 3-5 page condensed version, and then submit it to the head of the theology department at a dozen leading seminaries around the country. See if they agree with you.

If you do, be sure you use the traditional approach I've seen in many theology texts. They usually present their premise, then present the opposing view, then present the evidence to support their own view.

You are of course far too quick to twist the words of others to be able to fairly and honestly represent their opposing viewpoints. But I'd be willing to bet there are several here who are very capable and willing to help you in this task. I think they'd be able to fairly present this dissident view you constantly attack. i.e.: you draft the premise, they draft reasons you're wrong, you write your magnum opus essay defending the premise. Done this way, anything you'd be able to submit to the theologians would really be a collabrative and even ecumenical work, with neither side misrepresenting the other.

You're so sure that you're "right" and all who oppose you are wicked, unsaved drunken heathen. Why not test your theology with those who have given their lives to its study? You choose six schools, and maybe someone like Hodeoun could suggest six more. (Sorry for volunteering you like that, Hodeoun!)

Or are you willing to stand alone, tenaciously clinging to your half truths, even if it's you against the entire world wide church?

John,
Guest 300 wouldn't be interested in that. He has already gone on record with this statement, "I do not give a snap about what mainstream Christianity understands or propagates concerning the whole counsel of God."

Don't you remember? Guest has nothing to do with "mainstream" Christianity. He's the captain of his doctrinal destiny, angrily shaking his fist at everyone else who does not submit to his sublime teaching.

Guest300 LOVES Discussggwo because GGWO doesn't give him or her any platform to discuss his views. He (or she) really loves us more.

Can believers protect the flock by exposing the liars that are wolves in sheep's clothing? YES! YES! YES!

Is doing such against the commands of God? NO! NO! NO!

Is guest in serious error when he purports that such protection is wicked?
YES! YES! YES!

Is protection of wolves love of the flock?
NOT A CHANCE!

If you love God's people then how can you allow error and abuse to continue without calling then on the carpet for it?

Please ignore Guest as he is deceived and confused by his worship of men and advancement of abuses and error at the expense of the flock.
He actually believes that if you protect against error and abuse of the flock that you are sinning.
Obviously he cares only about making brownie points with the leadership by defending their error.

Pray for this sick minded blind man.

Guest,

This wasn't meant for us, right?
This was how you feel about GG, right?

wow -- someone hasn't been reading their Bible.

Ever read the prophets? Books of Moses? The Gospels? The Epistles? How many verses are specifically and overtly dedicated to the theme of naming and exposing sins? ESPECIALLY those of hypocritical religious leaders and false shepherds who use the flock for their own gain?

Well Guest 300 you should know all about number 7 as you have been repeatedly slandering, judging, and condemning people on this board for months now. I guess your heart is after men like your pastor a lot more than it is after God, isn't it? Serving and worshipping a man is not the same thing as serving and worshipping God, or are you too brainwashed by the GGWO cult to tell the difference? Why don't you skip right down to section 8 and take your own advice! Stop being such a judgemental, lying hypocrite and get yourself a life outside of GGWO. Stop worshipping men and start worshipping and serving God above all others. You don't need those sleezeballs that are just using you and would be happy to throw you under the bus if they saw that would be to their advantage. Dump them and move on!

You hit the nail right on the head there! While this Guest 300 claims he does not represent GGWO, he does very much. I think he's a member desperately trying to earn his little brownie points with higher ups at GGWO to try to move on up himself. He represents GGWO very much or why wouldn't he be bashing other believers as much who are exposing other cults disguised as evangelical churches on the Internet? I seriously doubt he's doing that as he spends so much of his energy condemning and slandering people right here for exposing his own precious little cult. He cares a lot more about his own position in the cult and for his cult leaders than he cares about the truth and the welfare of others.

This guest 300 guy doesn't seem to understand the truth much.

If he actually believes that it is wrong to speak out about those who abuse God's people and warn them of serious and damaging error then he is in a dangerous place in his own life and we must hold him in prayer.

To example his error against warnings let's look at this:A child is playing out on the playground when a known molester walks by and stops to watch the children play.
In the doctrine of guest 300 it is sin/wicked/ungodly to warn the children to stay away from the molester and in effect protect them from this man.
In his (Guest 300) doctrine the children must give this man companionship and befriend him without ever knowing the danger that they are in when in his presence.
In his doctrine it is required to allow and in fact encourage the children to seek this man out and allow him his way with them.

Guest 300,
you are deceived my friend and need to re-evaluate your doctrine which I have exampled quite accurately for you by following it out to it's natural conclusions according to the premise you have given it.

You in effect and directly have chosen to advocate for those who commit willing abuse/error and teach false doctrine to the sheep of our Lord's fold.
You have also chosen to advocate that the sheep be misused with no allowance for warning them so that they can be protected.
This is not the heart of God and could never be, if we are to accept the scriptures as truth.

"It would be better if a milestone" has a certain meaning which you might want to consider.

Oh we can't help Guest300 at this point in his life. He practices the doctrinal(re cultic) technique of "thought-terminating theology (re cultic speakology.)" There can be no discussion, discourse or intervention for one in that particular place. No logic can penetrate. I know many times reading his posts I think "this poor man is sick." He's not, he's just in too deep. 30 so years of being instructed from the pulpit to terminate the thought process makes him appear sick to us. It's all black and white, either you are in or you are out; in his mind. We say "but pastor lied and committed adultery and more importantly destroyed lives and families with his brand of malicious hypocrisy" and he thinks "Speak no evil about your pastor-teacher" BAMM, thought process terminated. No logic can reach him. No tenderness of the Spirit can melt his heart. That is learned cultic behavior.

Sometimes I contemplate how those I loved and loved me consider me all but dead now. How can this be? My thoughts always go back to the Holocaust, or Catholics burning Christians at the stake... or the Church of England Reformation Christians destroying years of scripture and teachings carefully transcribed by Godly monks and then killing them; or Rwanda or Sudan or the massacre of the Armenian Christians. The list goes on and on.

GGWO has successfuly terminated his brainwave activity from functional reasoning and has anethesized his heart from loving those who choose not to be a part of GGWO and corruption. Truthfully, he would joyfully burn us at the stake if he could. Nothing new under the sun with that, plenty of righteous "torchers" came before him.

Signing off as Lucky Number Slevin, oh wait a minute "don't call me lucky call me blessed"

John Collins,

All believers live under the new covenant that is established with the blood of Christ. We are all under grace and not the law. We have all been given a gift of righteousness that was imputed to us when we first believed. We are all hid with Christ in God positionally forever. We are accepted in the beloved. All sin has been paid for and put away by the lamb forever.

Answer the following to yourself and your own conscience. What do the scriptures instruct the believer in verse 2 part A?

Titus 3:2 'To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, [but] gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.'

Do you have any idea what it means to speak evil of no man? I am asking only you and no one else on this site. Is it important to you? Does it have a practical application? Is this a mandate to be followed? Are you living in obedience to this mandate of scriptures? According to the following scriptures, speaking evil looks like what we did before we were regenerated.

Titus 3:3-7 'For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.'

The same could be asked about the following scriptures...

Eph 4:29 'Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.'

It is very difficult to privately interpret or twist this scripture to mean something than what it is literally saying. It is also a mandate to be followed and obeyed by all believers. And the following scriptures lend it great support.

Eph 4:30-32 'And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.'

I think that everything that comes out of our mouth should be put to the test of these scriptures. You can try and justify what you have been saying all along, but if your speech has been contrary to these scriptures, you have violated the new covenant and grieved the heart of God. It does not matter how guilty another has been, these are mandates for you to follow no matter what, because they came from God and He is building His church. There is no scripture twisting, just clear cut mandates for all believers. That includes you and me. If we violate these mandates it is just as sinful as any sin that we accuse others of committing.

Roll Call

Does ANYONE one here read past the point in 300's posts where you realize it's HIM?

Guest300,

you can't help yourself

you just gotta post here

what would you do if there wasn't a discussggwo?

you're addicted to this site


ask yourself


why??????

Roll Call

Does ANYONE one here read past the point in 300's posts where you realize it's HIM?

No. Because everyone of his posts adds up to the same message...that nothing said here is of any value if it is disparaging in any way towards his idols at the plaza.

He profanes what he calls sacred...if you think something is holy as he claims to think the bible or the scriptures are you don't fling it around at anything that moves...you fling mud not something you think is the word of god.

In the last post I meant to put the first statement in quotes because I was replying to the question Posted on Jul 1 2008, 07:32 PM

"Roll Call
Does ANYONE one here read past the point in 300's posts where you realize it's HIM?"

I do not think it is any-one's intent here just to point out the sins of the GG leaders for the purpose of speaking evil or judging. the purpose here is to point out the hypocrisy of the leaders and the evil in the GG system. If the youth pastor can commit adultery and remain youth leader, something is wrong. The purpose of accountability in leadership is not to kick someone when they are down, it is to maintain a good testimony to the church and the world. If leaders can use their authority to stay in power when they have broken trust, how are they different from worldly leaders? Where is the salt of the earth in that?

Would that be like the CHIEF "marriage counselor" not only having an affair (he's only human?) but doing it because God told him to and then CONTINUING in his position as the churches CHIEF marriage counselor?

Would it be like the leaders of the church ALLOWING that to happen for YEARS and only raising a stink when it looked like Thomas Schaller might miss out fulfilling his dream as head pastor so the "elders" suddenly out the philanderer?

Face it: unless and until Greater Grace can honestly admit just how f***ed up they are and have been for years, why should anyone ever 'forgive and forget' their years of lies and bullshit? Because they wear suits and smile and wave a bible?