Hi sibiricus,
You quoted the GG glossary definition of "maturity barrier" as:
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maturity barrier:
in application:
the point where the Christian changes from an immature believer
to a mature believer who knows the Word of God categorically
and also experiences the Word of God as a reality.
The point where God becomes a personal reality.
When the believer puts away childish things and becomes a mature Christian (I Corinthians
13:11).
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My reply will not be popular,
but I think that it may be accurate.
When a GGWO Christian reaches the point,
where he can ignore the fact that the name "Yahweh",
is not preserved in "the written Word of God",
[e.g. is found in no extant Hebrew Text]
and starts to believe without doubt the catagorical doctrine booklets,
that teach him that God's actual Biblical name is "Yahweh",
he has become a mature Bible believing Christian,
according to GGWO!
Daved
Dear Daved,
You got it wrong. They define "categorical doctrine" as follows:
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categorical doctrine: truths and teachings in the Bible on similar
individual subjects can be put together in the same doctrinal category
(example: the doctrine of sin, salvation etc.); (Isaiah 28:10,13, John
7:16, Romans 6:17, II Timothy 3:10,16, Titus 1:9, 2:1). Categorical
doctrine enables us to think with God in accurate light - how to
reciprocate and receive God’s thoughts in an absolute category as set
forth in the Word of God. (I Timothy 5:17,18, Isaiah 28:8-10, John
10:35,1 Corinthians 10:11, Romans 15:3, Acts 2:41-46, Deuteronomy
6, Isaiah 26:3).
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Surely the interpretation of the Lord's Hebrew name consisting of the letters yod-heh-vav-heh is not a categorical doctrine even in GGWO. If you lived anywhere outside the English speaking countries the subject would not be an issue to you, unless you were a Jehovah's witness. Do you know, how many times Jehovah (or Yahweh) is mentioned in the Finnish OT from 1933? Not one single time. The same is true in countless translations to other languages. If you want to make an issue of the interpretation of the four letters in Hebrew, I may think you believe that those that read the Bible in English are somehow better than the believers in the rest of the world.
Believing that one of God's names was pronounced Yahweh does not make GGWO anything peculiar. But one of the things what makes them think they are better than other believers in Christ is their definition and understanding on maturity and maturity barrier and how it is achieved. BTW just the term maturity barrier is enough to make me feel sick.
If CHS or his spiritual heirs insist that yod-heh-vav-heh shoud be pronounced as Yahweh and you insist it should be pronounced as Jehovah what makes you anything different when there is no way to definitely prove either one of those interpretations.
I think you have made your point about Yahweh crystal clear on the FN and now in here, but you are barking up the wrong tree. One day in Heaven you may be caught up by a surprise when you see the Lord and if (and I say IF) he would say: "Annih Yahweh. Mih attah?" Would you say, "I don't know you because your name should be Jehovah"? I think you won't.
Best regards,
Sibiricus
Hi sibiricus
You wrote:
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Do you know, how many times Jehova (or Yahweh) is mentioned in the Finnish OT from 1933?
Not one single time.
The same is true in countless translations to other languages.
If you want to make an issue of the interpretation of the four letters in Hebrew,
I may think you believe that those that read the Bible in English
are somehow better than the believers in the rest of the world.
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sibiricus,
In a sense, you make my case.
The King James Bible that Pastor Tom Schaller uses in the Pulpit,
does not mention the name "Yahweh" even once.
However Pastor Tom Schaller stands in the GGWO pulpit,
with a King James Bible in his hand,
and says,
[using the colloquial "we"]:
"We are bible believers",
We believe the bible"
Since it is an important teaching of GGWO that God's name is "Yahweh",
in my opinion,
it might be more accurate for Pastor Tom Schaller to say:
"We are Early Church Fathers believers,
and we are dogmatically trusting in the writings of Clement of Alexandria,
who has convinced us that God's name is Yahweh.
At least Pastor Tom Schaller would be being honest,
in that he would be reminding the congreagation ,
[in case they might have forgotten]
that GGWO has gone to the Early Church Fathers,
not to the scripures that are given by inspiration of God,
for their dogmatic teaching that God's name is Yahweh!
Of course GGWO still might be proven correct,
if when we appear at the Judgement Seat of Christ,
Jesus introduces us to His heavenly Father:Yahweh. :-)
Amen
Daved