Now thats just the screenshots shown, heres some info:
Key points from the interview:

~ The game that could be released on 10/24/2007 to coincide with the 2007 Tokyo Motor Show. Being that this years Tokyo Motor Show will be "revolutionary" for Japanese automakers debuting their brand new sports cars.

~ Various new online features will be announced and the game will be playable at the Leipzig show this month

~ GT:HD Concept will be removed from the PSN network when Prolouge is released

~ GT Prolouge will be Home compatible

~ There will be a "My Page" screen selectable from the title. Having given the online race component a lot of thought, the "My Page" will store your friends list, even calender, ranking etc. The online component will try to build an online community like social networking sites like "My Space", "Mixi" (Japanese MySpace equivalent)

~ While the game is called "Grand Turisimo Prologue" it will be less like an arcade mode but closer to a simplified version of "Grand Turismo Mode" in the other GT games; making money, buying cars, etc.

~ It will be a Grand Turismo "World". In the final version they would like to have people be able to walk around a town and look at cars. They will creating each detail of the city as well as the car. Other then Tokyo they will have scenic views like natural environments as well.

~ GT:Prologue will have 40 cars and 4 race tracks (8 different configurations). Including tracks not seen before.

~ When asked about downloadable content, he responds "not right now, but likely later on". When asked if the "Grand Turismo Award" winners from the 2006 SEMA shown in Las Vegas will be available; tuned 1960 Corvette and HKS CT230R Yamauchi responds, "I think one of the them. "

~ Cockpit view will be available. If you are using the steering wheel you can look around in the cockpit using the d-pad. For instance, in the Ferrari F430 you can appreciate the shine off the carbon fiber and the quality of the black leather seats. You can tell the quality difference in the leather of the Ferrari versus other cars.

~ In Grand Turismo 5 you will be able to fully customize the interior.

~ Depending on which car you drive your clothing will be different. Different helmet designs and other details that relate to the car manufacter.

And watch the trailer shown:
http://www.gran-turismo.com/en/movie/d1109.html


Eat My Ass.

customized interior? different helmets?
ZOMG!1!!!1!
wow, this game surely is shaping up to be another lame gt rehash with completely useless features, and nice graphics.

I don't know what this is supposed to show, but all I see are some screenshots, and a list features nobody cares about. home compatibility? cockpit view? helmets? how the hell does that make for good racing?

I'm sorry, but you've proved nothing, except that your more interested in pretty graphics, than good gameplay, and your one of those kids that is sucked in by hype.

and your title is horribly wrong.
"You thought Forza was better then this?"
was? you see, gt isn't out yet, so it still "is" better than that. I don't know about anyone else, but I would much rather play a game than look at screenshots of another game.

oh, and I don't know what you have with people eating your ass, but please leave your homosexual comments elsewhere. nobody here is interested.

Graphics and special features aren't what make a good game, it's the actual gameplay that counts.

Well said.
And that very exact statement is one thing Vee/Vii (or whatever is name is this week) never seems to understand.
He believes Killzone 2 is better than Halo 3 because of better technical graphics, and now he thinks this is better than Forza 2 because of graphics.

Lol, that's the only arguement you can possibly bring up with PS3 games - graphics. Sure, they're pretty, but gameplay? Leave that to 360 thanks.

I gaurantee that you will get bored of this game before you even get your A license (or whatever license they've thrown in this game). This is like an EA game - same game as the last except prettier graphics and a few new useless features. If someone said to me that the GT series was secretly being made by EA, I would genuinely believe them.

Since when was driving simulation about customizable interiors and helmets? Forza 2 discards all the useless features that are irrellavent for making a great simulator, and focus on the features that truely make a difference.
This is the disadvantage of making the cars this detailed - it limits the developers to what they can allow the player to do to the car. It sure is great graphics, but that's where it ends. There's no way to change it, no way to make it unique, no way to make it yours.

The title of "Ultimate Driving Simulator" has got a new owner - and it looks to be staying that way for quite some time.

exactly.
that's why I don't think screenshots, and a features list can prove anything.
until somebody plays the game you don't know how good the game is. a video is just a bunch of clips that the developers handpicked to show.

until the game is actually out, vii has not proven a point. other than that the game will have excellent graphics, but that's not what makes it.

Erm sorry to break this to you but those screenshots cannot possibly be real, Depth of Field technologies have yet to appear in video games shown in screenshots 2 and 4 (CryEngine 2 is the only engine capable of processing such graphics) Also, its a DX10 only feature on Crysis. So this thread fails, if it is about graphics. (Didn't bother reading the boring wall of text..)

You moron. Forza is NOT a driving simulator. The cars dont drive like they do in real life, they dont sound like it or perform like it. NOR LOOK LIKE IT.

GT4 is more of a driving simiulator this Forza. Do you do a license test in Forza? No. Can you tune cars performance to the level you can in real life? noo!

Gran Turismo has that title because of the effort they put towards making the game realistic. They take every car, and test/drive/record it. So that its identical.

The game itself is costing 5 million dollars+ to make. Because its going to sell like crazy.

It WILL outsell halo, just like GT3 and 4 did.

Your supposed to be a car fan, but you think Forza's a car simulator? Stick to masterbating at porches mate.


GT5 doesnt need gameplay to be changed. It has the gameplay already. Just more cars, better graphics. No need to change the handling or anything. Just add more cool features.

You fucking idiot. Polyphony TOLD EVERYONE AT LEIPZIEG IN GAME FOOTAGE.

Dont bring your graphics shit here, it is in game.

Lemme show you:

You see the roof? Notice how its got a slightly blurry texture? That it doesnt look as detail as the rest? Thats a DEAD giveaway that its ingame. Its not prerendered or CGI.

Anyone else want to say its not real?

Even if it is good, I'm not going to try it. I'm not a big fan of the GT series because it's simply too realistic, and gets really annoying.

And there's no way that it's going to outsell Halo 3. Halo 3 has broken a ton of records, it already hit the 1 million preorder mark.

Oh, and that's because you've really driven these cars and compared them to Forza 2?
Ha, you have nothing to back up your arguement, nothing.

And licenses? LOL! First you think the better the graphics, the better the game, and now you think if a car game doesn't have licenses, it isn't a simulator. Lol, you make me laugh.
They do actually perform just like them and sound like them. An interview with the Forza 2's creators showed programmers in various supercars recording sounds of the engine from various different positions of the car, and then test driving them around tracks and fine tuning the cars in their game.
If you're gonna make some kind of attempt at an arguement, atleast get your facts straight...

Since when do GT games have car tuning "to the level you can in real life?". Lol, that's far from it.
Car tuning isn't the right aspect to step into here. For car tuning, Forza 2 cannot be touched. Whether it's visual tuning or performance tuning, Forza 2 is the ultimate in it's genre.
And yes, it has that title because it did that, but also because nobody ever bothered to try go against it. Besides, that phrase is just some motto Sony made up.

Oh, and presenting Vee's NEW logic for today.............."MORE MONEY = BETTER GAME". Damn vii, you never fail to impress us with your infinite knowledge.

A game as repetitive and boring as GT outselling Halo? Please, you've made me laugh too much already.
I guess you haven't heard that Halo 3 just claimed the title of the most pre-ordered game of all time.


Well done, you've just proved you have no idea what you're talking about whatsoever.

See thats the thing, sometimes the games too mature for people. Thats cool, i actually respect people who play it, and acknowledge that its not for them.

Maturity has nothing to do with your taste in games...

I simply like the more arcade styled racing games (Like RR7) as apposed to the true Sims like GT.

I didnt mean maturity like that. GT is a mature game as its hard and aimed at a older audience.

I don't feel like reading vii's rant in all of his posts, but I must say this.

the ps3 has currently sold 4.32 million ps3's.
halo 2 sold 8.26 million copies
Halo 3 has already surpassed 1 million PREORDERS and if I remember correctly has the highest number of preorders than any other game, ever.

now, knowing this, how can you say:

knowing damn well, it's not even possible for gt5 to sell more copies than halo?
even if every person with a ps3 purchased GT5, it will STILL not outsell halo 3. and this isn't just a wild guess, or hype, like EVERY argument you make. this based on actual numbers, and logical reasoning. The facts are stated above, Halo 3 is already geared towards surpassing Halo 2.

This is just evidence that you pull your information from your ass, with no reasoning behind any of it. now, because of this, I will not read any of your argument. because, quit honestly, I don't think you know what your talking about, and don't feel I should be bothered with such non-sense.

k.thx.bye


edit: and I have to say something about you saying that the performance mods of GT are the best. But forza's performance customization is completely on par with it's visual customization. which says enough right there.

Since my reply to Vee in chat is too long i'm just going to come here instead.

Well, guess what Vee? I can argue since I'm now a 100% hardware maniac. I do know for a fact that the X360 is more powerful than the PS3 but not by much. The PS3 has a Single core CPU with 8 Spe's. SPE's are memory flow controllers. The Cell was actually built as a server processor (like Intel Xeon) and the Cell's capabilities fall way short of what the X360's triple core is capable of.

As far as the RSX goes (the GPU for the PS3) it's nothing but a dumbed down version of the 7800GTX (nVidia debut card to the G70 series) the X360 GPU from what I know is capable of a only recently introduced technology known as "free aa" which basically means it can process anti-aliasing with no penalty to performance. (Since the 360's GPU is a dual die design with 10mb eDram die)

So back to those screenshots. I guess you either didn't read what I wrote, or didn't understand. I said screenshots 2 and 4 were completely fake as the PS3 is incapable of processing depth of field motion blur. Not even my card, the 7950GT (which blows the RSX out of the water) can do it. It's a DX10 only feature and requires shader model 4.0. The fact that the PS3 can only use Open Gl for rendering really gives it away...

-Nath

oh god.

Just because the PS3 hasnt sold much, it means it wont sell more in the future?
GT5 comes out end of next year. When LOADS of more PS3 would have sold. I'm sure by then PS3 would have caught up to 360 on sales.

Its already beaten 360 in the last 3 months when it comes to sales. It seems like the tides turning.

360 has been out for a year longer, so its had longer to sell. So why are you comparing sales anyway? Wait till 08 then compare sales.

Can you stop talking out of your ass? I cant believe you still think 360 is powerful er.
Its not like GT just released those screenshots randomly. They released them at Leipzeig games convention. Before the trailer played, they said "none of this is prerendered or CGI, All ingame footage".

So why are you bothering to talk out of your ass about it? Have you even played GT HD? It has half those features you said are incapable by your computers shitty gfx card.

Sigh...

you are such an idiot vee.

so, what, in the next year sales for the 360 will come to a complete standstill? and not only that, but the ps3 will sell MORE consoles than that of it's launch year. even though it has a lame game selection, and not much coming this year.

and you can't forget that in the fall the 360 has a stronger game selection coming out. the increase in ps3 sales is purely because of the price drop, but oh, wait, the 360 too has a price drop now. Saying the ps3 will catch up absolutely absurd. the 360 is a year ahead now, and it will be a year ahead next year.

oh, and not EVERYONE with a ps3 will buy gt5, and same with halo 3. not everyone will get it. but based on past numbers it's easy to say that when gt5 DOES come out, it will not have a chance at outselling halo 3. Halo 3 will undoubtedly sell 8.5-9+million copies. And by this time next year I'd expect there to be about 7-7.5million ps3s sold because it will NOT outsell it's launch year. now figure, 90% of that 7 million buy gt5 (it will probably be closer to 60%, but for the sake of your stupid ass I'll use 90%)
so now, for the sake of the argument gt5 will sell 6.3 million copies.

So, like I said before, based on hardware sales Gt5 isn't even capable of outselling Halo3. and unlike all of your statements I actually thought it out, and used ACTUAL numbers and information to come to my conclusion, based on past sales information.

I didn't just come to some broad conclusion, and just spit it out. like you do, all the time.

perfect example of this. your an idiot, vii, you really are.

excuse me? are you not the person that has based every argument off of hype, and used game PREVIEWS to back yourself up? are you not the one who has OBVIOUSLY made shit up just to try to make an argument?

how about this, Vii, instead of saying "Can you stop talking out of your ass?" why you go ahead and post some evidence to what your trying to prove. and not hype, or rumors, but actual facts. Nath went ahead an posted actual specs comparing the two, again, you just threw hype out there, with NO EVIDENCE. what the hell is your problem? do you honestly think you are convincing anyone of anything? you have not proven anything, ever, and I think everyone is getting sick of it. you are horrible at arguments, yet your the one that has been provoking them recently.

First of all, Great to see that Nath's back. Second of all, I despise racing games with a spitting venom.

No matter how hard anybody tries, can nobody realise Vee just doesn't listen? Has nobody realised that? Well, Meh.

And about that GT5 well outsell Halo 3... Around 3-4 Million consoles of the Ps3 has been sold wordwide. If everyone who owned a Ps3 bought GT5 would still not manage to even touch Halo 3. Wanna now why? Halo 3 has already gotten a record for the worlds most pre-ordered game. Damn, even North America has pre-ordered list for Halo 3 of over 4 Million.

Sorry, but I just have to back my favourite game up....

that's exactly the point I'm trying to make. although the ps3 has more sales, and I think the preorders are a little less, than what you stated, it still not even possible for GT5 to outsell Halo.

and that's exactly why the ps3 will fail. there aren't even enough consoles sold for it to e a competitor, and it's sales will start to dwindle now, it had a slight surge because of the price drop, but microsoft followed up.

what I've noticed is that microsoft is TRYING to make it's gamers happy, while sony is trying to impress it's gamers.
well, impressing them won't make them overall happy.

I agree with Vettefan and JB here, Halo 3 is gonna be this years big game. and @ JB, I dont like the GT series ether, mainly because its too simulation for my taste.

But I will say one thing for the PS3, It has been out for a year in the US, but its still in its first year here in Europe, had it launched simultaneously it may have a better install base, like the 360

Launching in different countries is irrelavent, since devs get the kit no matter how varied launch dates are.

Sorry, I was more thinking about the install base than the game :D

I do listen. I agree Halo will sell like hotcakes. Everyone knows that.

But ask yourself this:

Do you know anyone, whos had a PS2 and not bought a GT game?

Almost everyone i know, from boys to girls, young bucks to grannys, have bought at least one of the franchise.

Everyone here agrees that the "console war" is going to be pretty close right? I dont believe its going to be a land slide win for anyone. But Polyphony has a reputation when it comes to racing. They've made 5 god damned games. That have all gone platinum.

Unlike Forza, the guys at polyphony have alot more experience when it comes to making racing games. I've played forza for about 3 hours. I think the handling is unrealistic. But i love the damage.

But frankly, i want a driving simulator. Some of you lot dont want that. You want a game where u can buy a car and paki'fy it to the max. Thats great, but i think that should be left to NFS games.

Now, will GT sell more or Forza?

I know for a fact, that all my mates that own a Ps2...

Have not got one single copy of the GT Franchise.

I never owned a gt myself.
some friends had it, but I didn't care to much for any of them.

and they've made 5 games, so what. you ever hear of the driver series?
what happened to them after a few games?
they came into a next gen with driv3r and failed.

and again, even if everyone with a ps3 buys gt5 it will still not have a chance at beating the 360's big sellers.

and gt5 will probably sell more than forza2 because it's a reoccurring series, but I still would prefer to play forza 2 over any gt game. is it 100% accurate to driving a real car? probably not, but is it that important that I need to dismiss the game? no.

if I wanted to feel like I was driving a real car, I'd go outside and drive a real fucking car. not some video game.

oh, and how can you say you played forza and the cars don't feel real? when have you ever driven a car vii, let alone a sports car?
I'm not sure what the driving age in the uk is but I doubt you've been behind the wheel more than 5 times your entire life. you have no experience to make such a comparison.

In fact I do....
PS2 sold A LOT more than Xbox did, so why is it that Halo's massive sales caught headlines across the internet and news? Why is it than GT did not if "everyone who owned a PS2 bought it".

Of course, I owned a GT game, multiple ones in fact. If I remember right...it wsa GT1, GT3 and GT4. But after GT4, it got highly repetitive and I realised I had been buying the same game for years, with just better graphics and more cars.

GT will sell well, as it's got appealing features such as amazing graphics, a wide selection of cars, and of course, the "Gran Turismo" logo.
What other alternative to GT is there for PS3 owners? GT is by far the best simulator on the PS3, so for those people interested in that genre, then what do you think they would choose?
Yes, GT will sell well, but will it get a lot of attention for the sales? Probably not.

And who needs experience?
Take Bungie as an example. They were a small company with not that much experience when compared to their rivals. But when they released their first Xbox game, what was the result?
A game that went on to sell millions of copies, shift thousands of Xboxs and go on to be considered one of the best FPS of all time.

Your logic seems to fail again, although this one makes a bit more sense than your previous theories I must say...

I ask again: Have you driven these cars yourself? Compared them to the cars in Forza? Frankly you have no idea if they are realistic or not. But I believe they are as I've read various articles, reviews and a video where the Forza team are said/shown to be thoroughly researching, driving and testing each and every car in their game and in real life.
They record the sounds from multiple angles of the car, drive the car endlessly around tracks, shift gears differently, do burnouts, over-accelerate gears, etc etc.

Oh, and some of us do want a driving simulator, and some of us can get one by buying Forza. You still fail to state one logical reason why you think Forza 2 isn't a racing simulator. And "paki'fing" a car is just an added bonus that you get in Forza 2 to make it your own and personalise to your likeing, just like many people do in real life.

Oh, and now you've changed this to whether GT will sell more than Forza? I thought it was about whether GT was better than Forza...well I guess you gave that one up eh.
I have to say though, even though I believe Forza is a better game than GT, I have doubts about whether it will outsell GT. Forza is in the middle of many great games that came out around it's release, and many others were still rapped up in playing previous games that they couldn't get enough of.
PS3 on the other hand, many people have saying there isn't a lot of great games out, and there's not much coming soon, so GT would be one to stand out in the PS3 market.

Look, Forza has already past its optimum time to sell. Its first month. And how much has it sold? Not anything impressive.

GT will outsell it, no doubt in my mind.

And you say PS3 owners dont have a choice? I bet if you asked 360 owners which one they'd rather have, Forza or GT5, they'd all say GT5.

It looks better, feels better, drives better.

Whilst i was playing Forza, i didnt feel like the car was under my control, i'd take a turn, just as i would in GT5 and the car would react in a unexplainable way. Most of the time it was sliding like crazy, or wobbling.

Their are stuff about forza that are good, customisation and damage.
Their are also stuff about GT that are good, graphics, realism, more cars/tracks.

But good stuff in GT make up for the things its lacking.

And that is all your opinion. Why do you always think your opinion is over everyone else's?

Oh, so you're telling me Forza has unrealistic handling cos it isn't the same as a PS2 game?
This is the next generation in case you haven't noticed, and it's gonna be bigger, better and more realistic that last gen. Forza has the handling great, and you have no proof saying otherwise.
Maybe you couldn't control it cos you don't know how to drive? I have no trouble at all driving in Forza, it's cos it's a adults game. I remember getting all the liceses and winning 90% of the races in the game (that 10% being the endurance races) when I was 8 years old.
GT was toned down to appeal to a wider audience, while Forza aims itself strictly at the mature, hardcore car fan market. With all the endlessly complicated performance tuning in the game, you think Forza's developers made that thinking it'll appeal to 10 year olds?

And a game doesn't have to sell well continuously to sell a lot. A game may be so popular that everyone who wants one will get in within the first week or so, therefore the month after sales will be bleak.
I remember when Forza was first release, I went onto the Xbox forums and almost everyone's most recently played game was Forza 2. I knew Forza 2 was gonna be big, but not even this big. I'd say around 95% of the people who were posting on the forums had Forza 2 in their recently played games.

you do know that if you were to take a turn fast in real life, and used the e-brake to take it, like in most driving games, the car would actually slide and wobble?

just a little info there.

PS2 game? Since when has GT HD been on the PS2? I'm talking about PS3.. :huh:

Exactly, compare the graphics of GT HD, which is a beta game, to Forza. Matter fact, compare the handling and physics too, oh and the tracks whilst your there.

You fucking moron. Thats the thickest thing i've ever heard, in my life. No joke.

GT is toned down? Forza's a toned down version of GT. Races are easier, AI worse, tunings unrealistic and easier.
They had to add things like bumpers and decals so that kids would get the game. When in actual fact, the adults who want a racing game, get GT.

I cant even argue with you anymore, because that last comment makes me feel like i've been talking to a brick wall.

LOL you're a joke.

Wow, it has better graphics. You're point is?
You fail YET AGAIN to provide proof of GT's handling being perfect and Forza's being unrealistic. This just proves just how blinded you really are and how you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Handling is one thing, but physics? LOL, ask ANY unbiased perso and they'll say Forza's physics are better. I mean cmon, in the GT demo I played round my mate's PS3, the cars bounced off the sides like a bumpercar. Try crashing a car into a wall in Forza and see how the cars react. It actually feels like you've just crashed your car and you've been jolted forward.
If you think GT has realistic physics, then you need to get off those kiddy rides.

And it was toned down. As I said, I blasted through GT3 when I was a little kid and today, playing Forza 2, I have to redo races so many times because of how hard it is. And I wasn't even playing in the hardest difficulty.
Thing is, you can crank up the difficulty in so many ways. They've got a whole list of options for you to turn on or off (etc). Each one making the game a lot harder, but also rewarding you in the process by recieving more cash per race won.

Races are not easier, AI is incredibly tough (depending on your difficulty), and...what? Tunings "unrealistic" and "easier"? Wtf.

Ask any mechanic, any car engineer and they'll tell you straight up that all the performance tuning in Forza 2 can be done in real life. What the hell are you on?
And what do you mean "easier"? You don't use a Wii controller on a 360 and do all the tuning physically. What other option is there than using the analogue sticks to tune your car?
And if you mean it's easy to adjust your car to the max, then you are well mistaken...
It's incredibly hard, I've tried many times to tune my car to the max, and failed miserably. Every tiny thing you tune affects the car realistically when driving.

And they put that in to give the player more choice to customise your cars. After what Forza's accomplished, what else would you want? Visual customisation of course.


Lol, you think I don't feel like I've been talking to a brick wall? This is the guy who comes up with his amazing logic like "BETTER GRAPHICS=BETTER GAMEPLAY" and "MORE MONEYZ=BETTER GAME LLOLOLOLOLLLOL".

I've never seen someone fail so much at once. Congrats.

and how would he be able to compare these things?
nobody has played GT out side of development, you have no argument, here, you literally telling him to compare something that is as of right now incomparable. your fucking retard.

again, you are, yourself, making impossible comparisons. you haven't played the game you can't compare the races and AI. you really are bad at this "arguing" thing.

and tuning is unrealistic and easier? every aspect of the car can be tuned in forza, how is this easier? GT has very simple tuning, you can modify SOME things, but forza alows modification of almost everything.

it's hardly easy.

I find it funny this statement came from a KID
a kid would hardly be able to customize a nice decal, this isn't NFS, they aren't pre-rendered designs. your again, talking out of your ass.

and adults that want a racing game get GT? how many adults did you question to come to this conclusion?
none? I thought so.

Vii, Until you prove you actually know what your talking about, you are full of nothing but shit.
you have not ONCE used any solid evidence to back yourself up, why would somebody believe you?

and posting a screenshot is not evidence. it's a picture. and looking at a picture does NOT tell you how the game will play.
and sure, there's videos, but those videos a compilation of clips hand selected from probably HUNDREDS to show you what you want to see.

you HAVE NOT played the game yet
You CAN NOT use the physics and handling as example
those screenshots ARE NOT any sort of evidence as to how the game will play
you DO NOT have any experience to make comparisons to real life driving
you DO NOT know how a car should feel around a track
you CAN NOT compare the realism of one game to another until you have this experience.

you ARE AN idiot, and I think your the only one on this board that still supports the ps3.

and BEFORE you reply to this, please, get some FACTS to back yourself up.
not something the developer reported on in a preview or interview
Not some comparisons you, yourself cannot make
and no false information you TRY to pass off as fact.
I want genuine proof as to what your saying, and if you would be so kind, I'd love it if you actually linked to your sources, so I can see where you get your information.
and NO, do not link to some article where someone else gives their opinion, and no early opinions.

I want you to supply some proof to what your saying.

FFS I'm getting bored of this. Can't we just agree that were all extreme fanboys and get along?

Or then Vii will bring more crap up about the better graphics IS better gameplay..

If it makes you all feel better, both of them are shit and so is this topic...