Yup, it's official by Take 2.
GTA IV will be delayed to 2008, but it's said to be "atleast April 2008, perhaps May".

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No! Atleast Halo 3 will keep me occupied. And actually, I'm glad it's delayed. So when I get Halo 3, I can start saving some money for GTA IV.

A plan? I think so!

Yeah, I'm actually quite happy about this.

I'm limited to 2 games this year, and I was gonna make it Halo 3 and GTA IV.
But now I can just buy GTA IV next year, I got a new slot open for another game! Now I can FINALLY look into buying one of 360's awesome line up that I was drooling for, and as a bonus, I'll know that GTA IV is getting added development time!
I might get Bioshock, but Two Worlds looks cool too. Or maybe Mass Effect. Ugh...

Put it this way, Halo 3 and bioShock this year, GTA IV and.. well.. um... OMG!!1 Halo wars next year!

You mean for me to buy? Nah I probably won't get Halo Wars.
Just cos it has "Halo" in it, doesn't mean it'll be fun for me. I ain't into my RTS's.
FPS Halos FTW.

I'm not surprised by the delay. and I'm glad ts here.
a delay only means they're actually working to make it better, and not just to make a deadline.

I think they may have heard some complaints off forums, and are going to rework some stuff. and finish it up, so everything is tight.
This spring release is going to be odd though, they won't make the christmas rush, or any rush at that. and then having a new gta in the spring will be a lot different than in the fall and winter.
having the game in the winter is great because where I lie we occasionally have shitty weather, and snowstorms you can't do anything in, and gta's great for those times. but I'll probably be way to busy in the spring to play anything.

still, compared to some games the delay is minor. a few months is nothign compared to the years other games have been pushed back. that is, unless R* decides to just wait until next october. then I'd be pissed.

I've never tried RTS, So I might get it.

all because of 360 -_-

Um, Would you stop being an ass and always saying stuff like 'GTAIV WILL SUCK ON TEH 360 LOLOL' Because, If you can prove to me WHY it's because of the 360, what you just said is total BS.

Meh, You gotta get angry every once in a while.

BTW, I have nothing against Ps3, So why do you hate 360?

I guess I'm the only one thats disappointed to some extent about not getting it. But I got 4 games I got to last for a year possibly.

you couldn't be more wrong.
the 360 is a breeze to program for. If anything the troublesome devkit for the ps3 is holding it back. Developers have said programming for the ps3 is a pain, while the dev tools provided for the 360 are excellent.

the 360 version is probably moving along nicely, but the POS ps3 kit is screwing everything up.


really, I don't know how you could make such a generalized statement, when you have no idea whatsoever as to what goes into a game.

Devs have said that the 360 is a little more simplistic to develope on, but no one has said the PS3 is SHIT to dev for? I am not sure where you get that. Neither console is holding Rockstar back they already confirmed that.

Not shit, but hard.
They say the kits are complicated and hard to get used to, which makes it an annoyance when making multiplatform games, since the 360 version is easy to develop, whilst the ps3 version is more difficult to develop for.

This is why games like Madden 08 are running better on 360. The developers of this game have said the PS3 version will run at 30 FPS (frames per second), while the 360 version will run at 60 FPS.
And with an active game like this, doubling the FPS makes a big difference.

Then there's previous games a few months ago alongside PS3's release. Games like NFS:C, Tony Hawk and Fight Night looked better (not sure about which ran better) on the 360. Side by side comparisons showed that the 360 had much better lighting on Fight Night and Tony Hawk. NFS:C also had better lighting on the 360, but also draw distance was better too. Plus, the 360 was able to produce more objects on screen at one time that PS3. When looking through the rear view mirror on a car, on the 360 version you could see signifantly more objects with more detail behind you than the PS3 version.

This has been proven by popular websites like GameSpot, which also gave us side by side HD comparisons if we didn't believe them.


PSPHacker, you should just shut your mouth and be the one who sits in the corner watching the rest. Because frankly, you cannot ever join or make a decent conversation, and every attempt you make fails in every possibly way.
I suggest you sit back and have a moment to think about why exactly you bought a PS3 over a 360, because all I can gather is that you bought it mostly for GTA IV, yet the 360 version will be better than the PS3 version (because of PS3 lacking exclusive content).

They never said it's SHIT, but they have said it's more complicated.
and I never said either dev kit was holding the game back, I just said IF a console were to hold it back it would be the ps3. The simplicity of the 360, and tools made available for devs would not hold a game back. And it's really what accounts for the 360 getting so many games. Long before the ps3 came out, people were talking about how much of a bitch it is to work with the cell processor.

Yup, it is the PS3. Just read the article on 1up.com and Rockstar have said that it's due to "additional development time required to complete the title."

So far, they've been showing all their work on 360. Why? Well either the PS3 version isn't playable yet, or the PS3 version is running worse than the 360 version.

Well how can it possibly be the 360 version that's bringing the date back, when it's the version that's being shown and clearly in further development (also they started development for GTA IV earlier on the 360 because it came out before the PS3 obviously).

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Well, all this means is that I now can enjoy the other games coming later this year, alongside Halo 3. It only seems to be the PS3 fans that are really dissappointed by this announcement.

I was looking foword for gta iv.

I was able to find this article on the complications developing for the cell processor.
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=10974
That's from epic, the guys behind unreal.

some interesting quotes:

The dreamcast used multi-core processors I believe, and that's what led to it's demise really. nobody wanted to develop for it, and he's saying here that the cell is HARDER to program for.

Developers just don't want to work with the console. Sure the prospect of more power is appealing, but in the long run it's not worth it. it takes WAY more time and money to make the game (the article said 5 times more) and each game is only $10 more than that of a ps2 game. they're just not making much profit, and what they need in a time of higher dev costs is profit.

Sony had to own it's own dev studio specifically for the cell processor because of the lack of third party support.

the ps3 really is doomed to fail at the course it's going. and really, just because it has a very minimal list of decent games doesn't mean anything for the console. gamers need more than 5 games every few years, because once the next GT is out it will take years before the next, they can't rely on the same old franchises forever.

See this is the reason I want to have a podcast with someone about console wars. Get all the facts on the table so people aren't so oblivious to OMG IT HAS SONY ON TEH NAME WE NEED ITZ!!one!!!won!!! and same with the 360. People need to know the facts, pro's and con's of all systems. Not all consoles fit every bodies style and or wallet size. I need a sophisticated (to some degree) fan of Sony consoles, I have played and familiarized myself with Wii and 360, not as much with PS3. Anyhow, I would figure the more complicity (could find the right word for that sorry if it didn't fit) to the development of PS3 games, in the future, should allow to more complex games. Although it might make the develop times longer. Games in my opinion are games, no matter what console they are on your still having fun. Exclusives, just complicate a lot of things, but also get the games out there faster. couldn't imagine how long it would take for halo 3 to get ported to the PS3. Seeming Bungie knows almost nothing about ps3 (I would presume).

The fact that it costs 5 times more cash to develop for PS3s cell chip than a single core should be worrying.
Many people seem to have the weird impression that developers will just use the consoles full potential and bring out awesome games - well that simply isn't the case.

With the 360, well yes it is the case in most situations, but with the PS3? Not so often...
Money is the #1 priority with developers - nothing else comes above that. That's the whole reason why they're in this business. For the cash. Anyone else who says otherwise simply doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.

Making a game that is costing them 5 times more than it usually does on another console (e.g. 360) definately makes them reluctant to develop for the console - let alone developing a great game using the console's full potential. With the PS3's audience not being all that big and the cost of making a game significantly larger, the possible profit for an exclusive game decreases dramatically.

"So what?", you say. "I don't care about what they make, as long as I have fun with my games and console", you say.
Well, it actually does matter, because imagine if they aren't making a decent amount of profit, or they're too reluctant to develop deeply for the PS3 looking at the costs and sharing that out with the number of possible customers.
This will mean games will be made to a lower quality that it could/should be. It also means some great games may not be made since developers may shy away from the lower possible profit compared to another console.

And Microsoft are in a very powerful position at the moment. With all the reasons stated above, who do you think a developer would pick if they were offered an equal big-money exclusivity deal from both Sony and Microsoft?
For example, say if both Sony and Microsoft offered $50million for exclusivity of Gears of War 2. Who would a developer pick? Well, Microsoft.

Taking the easier dev kit out of the equation, if developed for Sony, if they don't make much of a profit, this will be backed up by the $50million they recieved for the deal, which is fair enough.
BUT, a developer would see that even though there's a gaurantee of profit, there's a gaurantee of MORE profit with Microsoft.
In addition to the $50million, the game on 360 will sell a lot more copies than if only on PS3 (since 360 version will have a lot more possible customers than PS3 version), and it'll be cheaper to develop for the 360.
This all adds up to a significant amount of MORE profit than if developed only for Sony.

Now, who would a developer choose eh?

Well you might be thinking that the developer could just develop for both consoles and get profit from both consoles together. Well, it isn't that simple of a decision.
What most developers are noticeing now (hence the many great exclusives on 360) is that Microsoft are offering the developers more cash for exclusivity than what the developers believe they will make if made on both the 360 and PS3.

So, if they'll make more profit (and cash from the deal also adds to profit) from making it ONLY on 360 than if they made it on both PS3 and 360, then which would anyone with half a brain choose?

i go away for 4 days and the sony fanboys get owned. DC's even resulted to the "Madden 60FPS" arguement that he knows nothing about and he's getting away with it!

Lemme finish up The Darkness then i'll come back on and teach.

No, because it means it will be 5 times better. No company is going to use 5 times more money..to make a crap game. Their going to make an amazing one.

Playstation 2?

It will happen, dont be thick.

Do you remember when Gran Tourismo 4 and MGS3 came out?
At the time, most gamers owned a Gamecube, as they were cheaper and getting funner games. As soon as word got round about how good these games were and reviewers started handing out 90%+ on them, people started to get playstations.

I did it, half my school did it. Almost everyone i knew who had a Gamecube, traded it in for a PS2. If you dont believe me, go to your local CEX and see the amount of Gamecubes they have their lying about.
Slowly slowly..everyone stopped purchasing them and its games. Thats why so little games came out.

Good games = sell more consoles = sell more games.

Or developers will start making better games, so that the console sells more and in turn sells more of their games.

Sony.
The developers would LOVE blu-ray disks. Thats why most the developers for Gears Of War have moved to Unreal Tournament, because its going to be their only chance to develop something fucking amazing on a huge scale.
EVERYONE who enjoyed gears of war, would go out and buy a PS3. By the time the GOW2 would have come out, PS3 would be at about £350. Thats a bargain price.

UnrealTournament will make GoW look like lego star wars. Due to the fact that they have some fucking amazign developers behind it (people who made unreal engine, hello!) and the guys from GoW.

So your saying, Microsoft offer more money for exclusivity, then the game will sell on both PS3 and 360? What are you fucking stupid? There are LOADS of games out their, that single handedly on the PS2 sold more then 50 million. And look at GTAIV. That will sell more on 360 and PS3 then Microsoft can offered to pay for exclusivity.

Notice why its on both.


Dont get me wrong, 360 is a good bit of hardware. But it shouldnt be under the catorgorie "next gen". The games console takes advantage of nothing 'next gen'.
Gamers are starting to find games like Crackdown boring, they want something more.

It will eventually reach a stage where 360 owners will be bored of the games it has to offer.
Forza 3 wont be able to run on that console, IF gears of war 2 will actually be a good sequel (follow suit unless they milk it down) then it shouldnt be able to run. And remember, PS2 went for 8 years. SCE just confirmed the PS3 will do too. But can the 360 do the same? Can you see games in 8 years time, still being able to run off a 360?


I'm back like cooked crack.

R* allways do this, i was expecting it.

If you read that 'Microsofts use of DVD9 disks', Can you not see that within time, the disk compresion technology will get better, And probably in 8 years time, a new console will already have come out.

Lets talk 5 years, no game has reached the limits of the 9GB disk as of yet, as its average is half the disk size. When games get better, The 360 will easily be able to handle them, and in theory the games that come out will still not be reaching the limits, thanks to new compression technology.

This is Microsoft's 2nd try at a console, And Sony's 3rd.

Oh, And BTW, About Crackdown getting boring? I'm seeing people on my freinds list that have had it for a long time, still playing it today.

Vee you tend to have a reputation of making bullshit responces, so this time I didn't bother wasting my time to read it.

Have fun anyway.

Vii there is no proof, and or logic to your post. Defiantly saying that the 360 is not next gen. I have seen better things come from the 360 than ps3 at the moment, so saying the 360 is not next gen is saying the ps3 is just a ps2.5, which is not what I'm saying. they BOTH are next gen and BOTH can make wonderful games.

Hmm...seems like me suspicions of Vee's post was true...
Some things never change.

Funny avatar D:C... who doesn't love the blood and gore from GoW...

Compressing games makes them slower. It also makes it harder for the console to find the files it needs. Due to it having to through lots of 'new' compression. Meaning more loading screens and a limit to what the 360 can render at any given moment.

You dont have that problem with PS3, you have uncompressed data and alot faster writing speeds. Meaning less/quicker loading screens and amazing amounts of stuff on screen at once.

But you have enough time to make avatars about me? Something about that just doesnt make sense..

I had the decency to sit down and read your post. You should have the same courtesy. I guess your parents failed to teach you that. Probably too busy trying to conjure up away to limit you to only 2 games a year. Thats fucking pathetic.

Heres the logic:
360 contains no NEXT GEN features (eg. blu-ray, Full1080p HD, motion sensor).

A years headstart does kinda help 360, doesnt it.

Well vii, I think games and graphics count in next gen, your console doesn't have games, so does that mean that the ps3 isn't next gen and only the wii is?

WII FTW!!1 That would be a LIE.

Anyways, A year being late really doesn't help the Ps3 does it?

The wii is really fun, they are the best selling console at the moment, and they are the smartest company. It may not be the flashiest console but it does have the fun and technology of a next gen console. The 360 had great hardcore gaming titles, with next gen graphics. The ps3 has good hardware and media capabilities. You can't claim that non of these consoles are next gen without being a dumbass.

PS3 hasnt got games? It does. Its been launched here for 6 months. In that time the consoles had 3 90%+ games and 5 80%+ games.

half of them multiplatform titles, and the other half were mostly shitty, its got like maybe 2-3 good games that are CURRENTLY out (which is a matter of opinion to set the record straight), but thats ok I know they will have a few out in a year. But come on you have to admit they have nothing on the line-up the 360, and Wii have for the next year or so. Which in a years time gives the developers enough time to deal with the console. I know its hard to develop for the ps3, but they have had plenty of time to get used to it and get there games on the market. Right now in my matter of opinion all I see the ps3 is as a cheap blu ray player, that happens to play a games. When I buy my ps3 here soon, thats probably most that I will use it for. Maybe get a few exclusives, if there will actually BE any in a years time.

HALO 3 FTW!!1?!

Yup, but I don't see what's so great about Wii's line up.
Even my friend (that rich guy who has everything) switched from being a Wii fan to a 360 fan cos he saw the shitty line-up of Wii.

I would only ever buy it for a cheap blu-ray player. If my parents would spoil me, and I could buy anything I ever want, I would have bought the PS3, but not to play games on - to play Blu Ray movies.
Honestly, there's not one single exclusive game announced for the PS3 that makes me go "Damn...I should try that sometime".

The wii has a lot of games coming up, just not all is liked by everyone. If you like mario the next year will be good to you. although a lot of shit titles coming for wii as well. The console isn't for hardcore gamers. Its fun for awhile but it gets old.

WHAT?? LMAO? more like "-.- all because of ps3". Why didn't R* release on schedule and just update the game with fucking updates. and if the ps3 doesn't have the ability to update games(i don't know but i seen it with the psp) then just release the ps3 at a later date. (they deserve it for holding R* back. and while they are at it. JUST MAKE IT AN XBOX EXCLUSIVE xD j/k

Lol, don't mind freestyle, he never knows what he's talking about.

He's some GTA nut and the only reason he buys consoles is for GTA, yet he didn't buy the console which is getting the better version.
And if anything it's the PS3 holding GTA back.

Remember all the screenshots, trailers and demos people have seen? ALL from the Xbox 360. EVERYTHING.
Not one thing has been taken from the PS3 version, which probably means that the PS3 version isn't developed enough to show anything. This is backed up by the fact that the 360 development kits came out over a year before the PS3 development kits were available, therefore Rockstar had more time to develop for the 360, and not as much time for the PS3 version.

PS3 owners should be happy about this, because it gives there more time for Sony to release a controller with rumble vibration before GTA4 is released for the better experience.

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Lol, don't mind freestyle, he never knows what he's talking about.

He's some GTA nut and the only reason he buys consoles is for GTA, yet he didn't buy the console which is getting the better version.
And if anything it's the PS3 holding GTA back.

Thats bull and you know it. I don't buy consoles just for gta... I buy them to play games, watch movies, hack and other things. you hardly know me how could you say that ? and I got the right console for gta iv... I dont care about a little extra content atleast sony didn't bribe rockstar to make 2 more missions for extra content. I'm tired of this stupud shit over console wars with ps3 and xbox. lets end it and say that we love our consoles. I mean someone started that fan boy crap. get over it some people do It I guess but so what you know what I mean?? and we cannot say what's holding gta back. untill we Offically hear. GTA IV comes to both Consoles March 3rd 2008. That's the release date I'm hearing from some people I know. I would expect the UK versions to be out maybe march 6th? that's a total guess for uk consoles.
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MY friend just got the PS3 and the iPhone after getting the Wii. I hate him! He also owns the 360. He is such a spoiled brat. He got the iPhone just by asking and his birthday was like months ago and his parents bought along with the PS3.