This, and many threads like it can be found at the Roller Coaster chat rooms. Just type 'Ace Lightning' into the search engine there and you'll see what I mean. Some know-it-all was ranting about Ace, and then about modern shows not having any morals!!

I think I will join just to provide a decent argument. (But at least we know there are more fans out there, even if we aren't allowed to link them. <_< )

Well, I've done it, but my posts don't seem to be showing. Let me know if you see them. (I'm logged in under my usual name. ;) )

My posts haven't been showing up either... :unsure:

Perhaps they have something against intelligence? <_<

That's always possible. I'll try post something when I get home, see if that shows up. <_<

K. I haven't seen any of yours yet, though. :(

What're they saying about Ace and WHAT exactly is it that people have agaainst this show? I mean sheesh, I know it's not the best show in the world but people get just a little stupid on the snarkery don't you think? Ever get the feeling the people who make these commentsd were employed by rivals of the shows producers? :P

It's a conspiracy. I swear the site has eaten my username. <_<

See! I told you, they just don't want intelligent people on who actually have an opinion which counts :P

Well they don't look like very informed opinions anyway...

My two cents worth on this thread:

Author yum chaa
Date/Time 26 Apr 2005 6:53:42pm
Subject read dis or u may never know wot is in it!

bring back ace lightning in a new series!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Author Zeddy Bear ®
Date/Time 01 May 2005 7:36:14pm
Subject Re: read dis or u may never know wot is in it!

no way dont bring back ace lightning(Spelling) :angry: :angry: :angry:

Author Sxcfulness
Date/Time 02 May 2005 5:58:37pm
Subject Re: read dis or u may never know wot is in it!

no =)

Author samantha
Date/Time 10 May 2005 9:27:28pm
Subject Re: read dis or u may never know wot is in it!

no way if they bring back Ace Lightning i swear i will never watch rollercoaster again!!!!!!!JOKES!!!!!!!!!LOLZ

Author banana_1992
Date/Time 12 May 2005 3:19:28pm
Subject Re: read dis or u may never know wot is in it!

Wat is ace lighting

Author miss sixty
Date/Time 12 May 2005 6:26:31pm
Subject Re: read dis or u may never know wot is in it!

Ace Ligtning sux! i hate it! i want to smash any records of it, and any sign it ever existed. I wish that skeleton thing would kill him and it be the end of the series, or the other way around

Author catypop ®
Date/Time 13 May 2005 6:28:29pm
Subject Re: read dis or u may never know wot is in it!

i agree with you

Author heritic
Date/Time 15 May 2005 10:10:06am
Subject Re: read dis or u may never know wot is in it!

same here i think its a bit odd that = it sux and im a boy

Author heritic
Date/Time 15 May 2005 10:48:53am
Subject Re: read dis or u may never know wot is in it!

a pokemon like thingymodoovelacky.

Yes, well, one needs a certain level of intelligence (preferably one above that of common garden mould) to appreciate Ace Lightning. It would help if, while watching, you actually listened to what they are saying.

The show encompasses issues like defying social limitations, as well as the question of reality and existence.

Yes, there are imcompetent villains, but there are also very deadly ones, one of whom uses TOUCH to cripple. Can you recall the scenes this has led to? This villain also uses psycological warfare above and beyond 'Let's set a trap and see if he falls for it! Evil Laugh!!! ™'.

This show has been brave with some rather graphic images, the likes of which very few others would get away with. Can you imagine Stevie from the Saddle Club pinned against a wall and being electrocuted for an almost unbearable amount of time? (Although, in the case of Stevie and the Saddle Club, it would be far from unbearable.)

Sparx' death? Random's first encounter with the shield of justice? Those were NOT light moments. Neither was Chuck being blasted, or Lady Illusion's death, but each and every one drove home with resounding force the message they conveyed. And the message? It held a little more importance than 'Remember to share, kiddies!' Only people who don't really watch Ace complain about its lack of morals, or its sheer pointlessness. People who pay it the attention it's due are fully aware that it sets a benchmark in children's entertainment, and not for the animation alone!

So yes! Please, bring on a new series!

Okay, okay. I probably got a little snarky there.

:D :D :D :D :D

That pretty much sums up my feelings regarding your reply, Anna.

:lol:

I should probably have stuck a 'sux11z' or two in if I wanted it to blend in better. :P

Okay... but I can't see your message in that forum... <_<

Maybe they have something against large INTELLIGENT posts?

Go LightningFlash, you tell those snobby Ace Lightning haters who's the boss! They are all jugheads!

Yes very well put lightning flash, Ipersonally don't think that was too snarky at all. :D

He he, thanks. :)

So... why hasn't the reply appeared? Maybe you have to follow some acceptance link or something...

Nope. <_<

....These things are weird :( maybe it was too long?

Thought of that. Posted a quickie about KB, but that's not showing up either. Besides, there are longish posts on there.

Hm... I wonder what's up then. Do they have some kind of help system, or are they just being gits?

Not a clue.

I've made some basic posts like this in the general discussion area, and they're showing up. Maybe because those topics are newer?

Or maybe this did it.

Yeah maybe they close topics after a while or soemthing.

Meh *snubs the dumb people on rollercoaster :P*

Yeah, that's all I need for the headache I currently have, chatspeaking neophytes bashing Ace Lightning pointlessly. <_<

*pats Xin's back asnd hands her some painkillers.* They'll go away eventually.

Or otherwise we can ALL go and do something to 'em. *grins cheekily*

Yeah, but we'd have to go to their houses seeing as Rollercoaster won't let most of our posts through. :P

You google their addresses, I'll get the firebombs :P

If you don't like a show, then you do not have to watch it. People like that get up my nerves. Not everyone likes the same things. :angry:
Ditch, suck, get rid of, none of these insults are even original. :angry: these people should at least come up with their own insults.

And what's with those message boards and speaking in a coherent sentence. The speech is bad enough but some of these people can not spell their favourite shows right. Pathetic.

I ignore the stuff off places like that because the trashing of TV shows like that is mainly because they want to sound cool and get their messages read on TV. They never do read trash like that out :P

As for firebombs, I think it would be way more a befitting punishment to make these people to sit through all 39 episodes so they'd know what their missing, as I doubt most of them have ever watched a full episode. <_<

Sigh, if only Ace Lightning really was real, we could take them through a tour of the carnival and they could meet the lame and completely non threatening evils.

:lol:

Lol... yes, that would be quite fun. :D I think the problem is that once one person posts 'this sux' everybody else who thinks so, or is indifferent will agree. Those that like watching it get scared and post 'i watch it when its on, but its not that good.' I've also noticed a common reason for not watching something is 'that's so last year'. Well, pardon me if I like watching shows that are actually good rather than what everyone else is watching/shows that actually have a large enough budget to advertise 'everone is lyk watching this' before it actually airs. :P

Also, re-reading Flash's post, I wonder if many of them will even be able to read it, far less understand it. ;)

Here here, to the H (and the Allison, and the the Flash and the Knight's Honour and the Xin, etc.)

Seriously, it surprises me how a show can be decent, like Ace, and not do better than it did do... it just feels odd to me. It's nbot as bad as many series which seem to go on longer... what the heck'd it do wrong?

1. I'm thinking it costed a little bit more to make than your standard live action show. They had CGI and I remember reading something about them using a cinema-type camera or something (that's how I read it, most of it was technobabble I didn't understand, so I had to interpret it ;) ). I'm also thinking they bought a couple of bomby cars to trash. Though that wouldn't have cut into budget so much. :P
2. I think it may have been hard to get into if you missed the first few eps. I remember someone coming over our place and not getting an ep (she may have also been scared about me bouncing about :P )
3. It *gasp* only uses half of it's time to deal with teenage relationships! And everybody KNOWS they're always the best shows cus they're all the same which is good! :unsure:
4. Due to that and probably a few other things, it's probably not a 'cool' show to watch (does lean highly towards computer gaming, and some programming stuff, which is, lyk, so geeky (IMO it's boring when you're actually trying to write the damn code, but is fun in technobabblyness)), hence, unless you really like it, you say you don't.

I started watching Ace Lightning on the third episode. I saw the cool preview but had been busy, then I watched it and it was an instant favourite.

I started taping the eps at episode 10 and had to wait for repeats to get the other episodes(I bought the first video). So my first tape has the eps in this order: 10, 11, 12, 13, 4, 5 ,6 ,7, 8, 9, 14, 15. And my others are just as bad :P
I was so sad I used a cassette player to audio record the tenth episode. :rolleyes:
And I have done it to other eps as well. I also taped the msuic video that they used to play on the abc for Ace Lightning, the one from Daffy Duff. I just wish they would bring out a sound track for the songs on A.L :(

It was the first show that ranked up there with James Cameron's Dark Angel which is my other favourite show. It got cancelled to give it's funding to Firefly(I think) and then it got cancelled. Unfortunately Sci fi/ Fantasy shows frequently get cancelled and don't live past 2 seasons . And there's a long list of them.

It's just the way it goes and is probably the reason Ace Lightning got canceled.

Long live the technobabble, yes I am a self confessed freak :P

Really? I didn't know that. I love both of those shows! Everything good seems to get cancelled!
I think that it would definitely be hard to get into Ace Lightning if you hadn't watched it from the start. I did, though, but it probably depends on which episode you watch. Some of the episodes carry on from one another and that can be confusing if you don't know what happened before.
And it isn't really a 'cool' show to watch! Most people would say they don't watch it unless they really like it like we do!
It is a really good show and it's such a pity it didn't do better. It's one of the best kids' shows I've watched in my opinion.

Definitely. Also, I've seen reviews from adults, who say its good. And my own mother made sure she got to watch every episode at least once. That's one of the things I think makes a good kids show, if the kids (the intelligent ones at least ;) ) like it, and the adults too (and by adults liking it I mean they actually enjoy watching it, not just thinking its educational).

Yeah. It's great when kids and adults can enjoy the same show. Most kids' shows bore adults!

Like Allison, I was hooked from the preview onwards, though my Mary-Sueish expectations of LI were much less...feisty...than her canon 'distressing damsel' self. (Yes, this is a good thing.) I still wanted to see more of her from the previews though; overlord's mistress/hero and Noble Sufferer potential for her interested me. (And I'm occasionally a sucker for a schmoopy love story. :P )

A lot of what I like about Ace is strictly personal based on my individual quirks more than its own qualities. What I find most praiseworthy, though, are:
- Characterisation. The teen romances are a bit shallow, but on the whole the adult protagonists (and adult protagonists by themselves are a real bonus, much better than the usual sparkly teenagers) had well-developed personalities despite their cliche status. Ace has to be virtually unique in that it had a good excuse for relying on the cliches it did, and because it partially debunked them at the same time it made for some really great characterisation. Most of the characters weren't overdone in their cliches (they could have been real people with real pasts), and were written very consistently with consequences attached (Sparx' 'disappearance' and LI's abuse and subsequent disappearance, pretty much as dark as you get in a kids' cartoon). LI straddles lots of cliches--Dark Consort, Evil Overlord's Daughter, Love Interest, Madonna (Good Woman), Whore--and ends up coming on top as a well-developed character (certainly the one with the biggest character arc, the one making the most changes and choices). And I can see few if any uncomfortable moral subtext; I don't think the heroes are allowed to 'get away' with much (ex. a main character permanently disfigures a fellow sixteen-year-old in Harry Potter without getting condemned for it by the author or other characters). Ace is a genuinely heroic character, I think, loyal and noble and truly sincere about wanting to help other people, and naive enough to not be a Sue. A professional policeman who chose his life and trained hard for it, not one of these Destined Heroes skating on the fame and unearned powers.
- Philosophical aspects. The whole concept of fictional characters to life crosses over with a number of really interesting questions and discussions on sentience. Jostein Gaarder's The Solitaire Mystery deals with simialr themes.
- Strong female characters. How rare are they on screen? True, comparing LI's and Ace's body sizes gives kind of unrealistic results, but the way she tends to come off on screen is either powerful (and even intimidating to Ace at times) or vulnerable to some other circumstance than sheer male physical power. (My personal experience in watching one Batman: The Animated Series episode was to feel really outraged on Catwoman's behalf, because Batman, Nightwing and every single other male character on screen were far bigger than her, and they used that strength to overpower her; I don't get that vibe from Ace.) And of course, unrealistic female appearance is part of the cliche, and hence LI and Sparx are perfectly excusable under the show's own terms. To more important matters, female characterisation: generally strong and assertive. Kat, LI, Heather, and Sparx are all obviously formidable women, and Sam's certainly no pushover either. Heather does get penalised for being too assertive and bullying (interesting and quite reflective of reality that the female-on-male abusive relationship was verbal, but male-and-female was physical), but I think there's a pretty valid case that what's trying to be said is that assertion is great but getting a partner's consent is required (the more experience LI definitely takes the lead over virginal Ace). A female character has the biggest character arc, another female character generally kicks butt despite certain personal weaknesses--it's definitely not a feminist show, but there are enough strong female characters to differentiate it from the norm. And I really, really liked that the experienced cynical mercenary was paired with the naive virtuous maiden--with genders nicely reversed. LI would fall on the wrong side off the Madonna/Whore dichotomy for most readers and writers, and I'm so glad a character like her gets a sympathetic treatment rather than the usual simpering damsel-in-distress.

On the personal list of Stuff I Like are:
- Unmined prospects of the 6D. I was somewhat disappointed when Season Two meant that my complex 6D theories were definitely shot down as no longer canon, but there's still enough raw possibility from the characters and snippets about their world to develop it into complex fantasy universes (and I bet the ALFs from Mark's world write that sort of thing, too). So, so much possibility for fanfic.
- LI. To be honest, I think she's been my fictional crush for a while now. :P (I have this cartoon thing. They're prettier than real people, not that this opinion speaks terribly well for my mental health. I generally prefer thinking about fictional characters than real people in the form of RPF.) I think she's a strong character and a beautiful one.
- Fantasy/Sci-fi melding that interests me. Undead sorcerers and cyborgs. Yummy.
- Impressively twisted subtext--necrophilia, cross-dressing, bestiality, tentaclepr0n...yeah. Interesting.

The point that the eps are a bit hard to understand out of sequence is a good one now that I see it. It's nice for fans that there's not a little "Six months ago, while Mark Hollander was playing Ace Lightning, his computer game came to life, releasing both heroes and villains upon the world..." blurb at every single episode, but, yeah, previous developments are often relevant; it's not a series where the reset button is set at every episode (which is a good thing, as character development is involved). To a certain extent the two recap eps pull things together for newcomers. For me, the teen romance was tedious, and there's no question that "kids' show" is the genre it falls into, no matter how sophisticated I try to write in my fanfic. Incompetent Villainy also brought it down a bit; Fear-as-comic-relief really annoys me. I think a lot of criticisms of it (bar that awful moral one) make valid points. Perhaps the animation isn't sharp enough, perhaps it doesn't always move very fast, perhaps adult protagonists and fantasy/sci-fi aren't quite what most kids are into. I still wish it was more popular, though.

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God, that was long. I'm obsessed. :P

I think we're all obsessed. :P

I will say, the preview certainly... intrigued me. (My strongest impression was 'the hero looks OLD!') Was one of those previews that made me think 'this is either going to be really interesting, or really suck'. The moment I decided it wasn't going to suck was in the first episode where Fear stuck his head down into Mark's window. And both Mark and Fear freaked out. :P I started taping on the third episode.

Will definately agree with Sarah on the strong female characters. And while LI isn't my favourite, she's certainly a great character. I think I've gone from liking her, to yelling at her, to hating her, to feeling sorry for her, to going ' :blink: oh crud go Lady Illusion!' (That cycle occuring more than once, 'cept for the last bit, that just occured at the end ;) ) I think it says something for a character if you can be annoyed at them or even hate them. I don't hate Kat, and I think that might say something for her character flatness.

Hell, yeah. :P

I wasn't dissappointed with season 2 'yeah... it is really just a game.' Probably to do with my leaning toward sci-fi more than fantasy. I found the introduction of a Master Programmer very interesting (human manipulation is yum). Plus the fact that a program that brought them out of the game activated when the game was 'completed' and got electrocuted made technobabbly sense. That being said, fantasy universe fic rocks. :P